28-02-2012, 17:07
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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I've been hearing the same things about Cable and Wireless,NTL,Telewest,Virgin Media,T-Mobile,Thorntons,Unilever,Cadbury's ect....
For like a decade, that they are not doing well or need to or are going to merge or that they are in financial stress. They will always be like that because they are doing something wrong, they are employing the wrong people,they targeting the wrong market and in some cases when it comes to Unilever, trying to target too many markets, they can't keep up! Some companies are just doomed from day 1 because they keep making the same mistakes over and over.
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29-02-2012, 19:13
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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I've been hearing the same things about Cable and Wireless,NTL,Telewest,Virgin Media,T-Mobile,Thorntons,Unilever,Cadbury's ect....
For like a decade, that they are not doing well or need to or are going to merge or that they are in financial stress. They will always be like that because they are doing something wrong, they are employing the wrong people,they targeting the wrong market and in some cases when it comes to Unilever, trying to target too many markets, they can't keep up! Some companies are just doomed from day 1 because they keep making the same mistakes over and over.
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NTL and Telewest have merged, Cadbury has been taken as well
Virgin Media should aim for a merger/takeover with TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywere
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29-02-2012, 19:22
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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NTL and Telewest have merged, Cadbury has been taken as well
Virgin Media should aim for a merger/takeover with TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywere
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Your always bumping this thread so maybe you need reminding
In answer to your question
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29-02-2012, 19:36
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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Your aways bumping this thread so maybe you need reminding
In answer to your question
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And from me also:
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29-02-2012, 23:41
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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NTL and Telewest have merged, Cadbury has been taken as well
Virgin Media should aim for a merger/takeover with TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywere
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Good God No!
Talk Talk and Everything Everywhere (well, Orange at least) have the most staggeringly bad customer service, in my experience.
C&W tried the UK cable industry for a few years, failed to make as much of a success as they thought they would and left it.
Why on Earth do you think those companies would be a good combination?
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01-03-2012, 08:38
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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Good God No!
Talk Talk and Everything Everywhere (well, Orange at least) have the most staggeringly bad customer service, in my experience.
C&W tried the UK cable industry for a few years, failed to make as much of a success as they thought they would and left it.
Why on Earth do you think those companies would be a good combination?
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TalkTalk to add a (dormant) IPTV service that could be improved and adding customers, C&W Worldwide for its LLU network and business customers and Everything Everywere becasue Virgin Mobile uses their network (plus it would add customers), also they have a lack of clear branding strategy, with at least 3 brands used
It would create a serious rival to BT, BSkyB, O2 and Vodahone!
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01-03-2012, 13:23
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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TalkTalk to add a (dormant) IPTV service that could be improved and adding customers, C&W Worldwide for its LLU network and business customers and Everything Everywere becasue Virgin Mobile uses their network (plus it would add customers), also they have a lack of clear branding strategy, with at least 3 brands used
It would create a serious rival to BT, BSkyB, O2 and Vodahone!
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Well for a start the competition commission will not allow it as Vodafone and BT will definately complain, they already have about Everything Everywhere and they were told to sell some of there spectrum.
TalkTalk TV has put its IPTV digital tv service under redevelopment which means it may re-launch it to new customers again, existing customers will not have any problems. The service is NOT currently available outside the London and Stevenage areas.
Cable and Wireless Worldwide planned an IPTV/Video service for its business customers in competition with Verizon's Fios service, that too was abandoned.
Cable and Wireless Worldwide has already made two attempts at the residential sector and has clearly showed that it has no interest selling directly to residential customers, they'd rather sell through other companies like Tesco Homephone,Post office homephone and Caudwell comms
Everything Everywhere currently sells Orange home broadband and home phone which is currently the worst in the UK, there was also a plan to launch a similar service under the Deutsche Telekom/T-Mobile brand probably something like T-Online or T-home. It is not clear if they are as I don't think they will keep two brands for very long, I expect them to get rid of the T-Mobile brand and replace the whole thing with Orange or get rid of both brands and come up with something entirely new.
Virgin Mobile is not doing to bad as it is, there are ideas to build a 4G infrastructure and if that goes ahead it will eventually have a network of its own, 2G and 3G will of course still be provided by Everything Everywhere but could be phased out over time, but that would be a decade away.
As for TalkTalk, I wouldn't want them running my services, I want them gone! I would rather have TalkTalk with there false economy of a service and annoying advertisements go under instead of Cable and Wireless Worldwide.
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02-03-2012, 09:55
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
Tata Communications (part of the Tata Group, which owns Land Rover and Corus) is planning to launch a bid for C&W Worldwide, it will end up as a bidding war between Vodafone and Tata. Still no news on VM!
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...8210B320120302
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Well for a start the competition commission will not allow it as Vodafone and BT will definately complain, they already have about Everything Everywhere and they were told to sell some of there spectrum.
TalkTalk TV has put its IPTV digital tv service under redevelopment which means it may re-launch it to new customers again, existing customers will not have any problems. The service is NOT currently available outside the London and Stevenage areas.
Cable and Wireless Worldwide planned an IPTV/Video service for its business customers in competition with Verizon's Fios service, that too was abandoned.
Cable and Wireless Worldwide has already made two attempts at the residential sector and has clearly showed that it has no interest selling directly to residential customers, they'd rather sell through other companies like Tesco Homephone,Post office homephone and Caudwell comms
Everything Everywhere currently sells Orange home broadband and home phone which is currently the worst in the UK, there was also a plan to launch a similar service under the Deutsche Telekom/T-Mobile brand probably something like T-Online or T-home. It is not clear if they are as I don't think they will keep two brands for very long, I expect them to get rid of the T-Mobile brand and replace the whole thing with Orange or get rid of both brands and come up with something entirely new.
Virgin Mobile is not doing to bad as it is, there are ideas to build a 4G infrastructure and if that goes ahead it will eventually have a network of its own, 2G and 3G will of course still be provided by Everything Everywhere but could be phased out over time, but that would be a decade away.
As for TalkTalk, I wouldn't want them running my services, I want them gone! I would rather have TalkTalk with there false economy of a service and annoying advertisements go under instead of Cable and Wireless Worldwide.
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A takeover of TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywhere will not give VM a monopoly, because it will still have fewer customers (business and residential) than BT and will have less mobile customers than Vodafone/O2/3!
TalkTalk’s IPTV service could be massively improved by VM so it can reach the other 50% of the UK where it does not provide its TV service!
TalkTalk will not be running VM services, but the other way round, the TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywhere will dissapear and be replaced by the "Virgin Media" and "Virgin Mobile" brands!
Everything Everywhere biggest issue is that there is a lack of integration and it uses 3 brands (Orange, T-Mobile and Everything Everywhere). Virgin Mobile is a small player in the Mobile Market, so buying the company will make it a serious play in the UK Mobile Market!
A takeover of TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywhere will on the other hand make VM a powerful player in the phone, TV, Mobile and Internet markets in the UK!
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02-03-2012, 12:02
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry
Tata Communications (part of the Tata Group, which owns Land Rover and Corus) is planning to launch a bid for C&W Worldwide, it will end up as a bidding war between Vodafone and Tata. Still no news on VM!
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Alan, you have been given numerous reasons why VM wouldn't want to merge with them. So why do you keep trying to find little snippets to bump this thread?
This thread has now been exhausted, and in my personal opinion closed.
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02-03-2012, 22:37
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry
Tata Communications (part of the Tata Group, which owns Land Rover and Corus) is planning to launch a bid for C&W Worldwide, it will end up as a bidding war between Vodafone and Tata. Still no news on VM!
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...8210B320120302
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A takeover of TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywhere will not give VM a monopoly, because it will still have fewer customers (business and residential) than BT and will have less mobile customers than Vodafone/O2/3!
TalkTalk’s IPTV service could be massively improved by VM so it can reach the other 50% of the UK where it does not provide its TV service!
TalkTalk will not be running VM services, but the other way round, the TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywhere will dissapear and be replaced by the "Virgin Media" and "Virgin Mobile" brands!
Everything Everywhere biggest issue is that there is a lack of integration and it uses 3 brands (Orange, T-Mobile and Everything Everywhere). Virgin Mobile is a small player in the Mobile Market, so buying the company will make it a serious play in the UK Mobile Market!
A takeover of TalkTalk, C&W Worldwide and Everything Everywhere will on the other hand make VM a powerful player in the phone, TV, Mobile and Internet markets in the UK!
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They wouldn't have the money for that anyway. Everything Everywhere is worth many billions to start off with.
And I will tell you one last time, Virgin Media is not interested in IPTV, it is crap! HD is very limited,bandwith is limited and costs a lot of money to roll out and maintain.
Virgin Media has made arrangements with fujitsu to provide a similar but better service. Virgin Media also prefer to expand there existing network wherever they can where it is seen as commercially viable.
That would be a lot cheaper than acquiring or merging with rival firms.
Virgin Media finds it fairly easy to grab customers and again would be cheaper than acquiring or merging with rival firms.
IPTV is unrealistic and I don't think it is a suitable alternative.
What you are suggesting is what NTL and Telewest did in the past and got them into serious financial problems, Cable and Wireless Worldwide is still doing it and has got them no where! Taking over Thus thinking that will solve there problems.
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03-03-2012, 12:09
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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They wouldn't have the money for that anyway. Everything Everywhere is worth many billions to start off with.
And I will tell you one last time, Virgin Media is not interested in IPTV, it is crap! HD is very limited,bandwith is limited and costs a lot of money to roll out and maintain.
Virgin Media has made arrangements with fujitsu to provide a similar but better service. Virgin Media also prefer to expand there existing network wherever they can where it is seen as commercially viable.
That would be a lot cheaper than acquiring or merging with rival firms.
Virgin Media finds it fairly easy to grab customers and again would be cheaper than acquiring or merging with rival firms.
IPTV is unrealistic and I don't think it is a suitable alternative.
What you are suggesting is what NTL and Telewest did in the past and got them into serious financial problems, Cable and Wireless Worldwide is still doing it and has got them no where! Taking over Thus thinking that will solve there problems.
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Was the IPTV that Virgin tried outsude the cable network as good as the TV service on Cable?
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03-03-2012, 16:00
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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Was the IPTV that Virgin tried outsude the cable network as good as the TV service on Cable?
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They didn't even both trying because like I said it is expensive and it is crap.
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03-03-2012, 16:58
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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They didn't even both trying because like I said it is expensive and it is crap.
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He won't accept that as an answer.
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03-03-2012, 17:02
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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They didn't even both trying because like I said it is expensive and it is crap.
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He won't accept that as an answer.
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All he will accept is yes Alan your fantasies are correct and we accept them all
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03-03-2012, 18:45
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Re: Should Virgin Media and Cable & Wireless Worldwide merge?
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They didn't even both trying because like I said it is expensive and it is crap.
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Let's hope it will improve!
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