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Old 16-03-2017, 19:23   #781
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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This presidency will stand or fall in it's first year as much as I'm happy that a different type of person won the election Trump needs to adjust to his new position quicker then he is. He cannot continue running the presidency as he ran his business interests they are two different to work. Trump has some good ideas but he's too quick to use twitter and that's causing too many problems for it to continue for much longer or be accepted by even the republicans. He has been caught out a few times now putting it politely embelishing things and not reacting well when he is caught out it's not the way to be a president and he needs to find a way to put the whole Russia situation to bed as well because as long as that's not resolved his presidency will struggle.

I want Trump to succeed so that another nail is hammered in the coffin of the type of politician that's infested western politics for the last twenty years and i have no doubt Trump winning averted a serious problem with Russia that Clinton would have pushed perhaps going too far. That said he has to step up and adapt to the role and blind loyalty and defence of him is not going to help him do that, right now if your a real Trump supporter do him the biggest favour you can and admit his mistakes and show him that he has to change.
Sensible advice. No one who surrounds himself with yes men will last the length.
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Old 16-03-2017, 19:24   #782
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Once again people start acting like they are in a school playground.

Any more childish name calling and the guilty person will be taking a rest from posting.
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Trump has made stuff up ,his accusation that Obama bugged his offices is complete made up trash ,
Obama Administration has form when it comes spying on folk just ask France, UN's Bank Ki Moon. Feel free to go ask them : That's after you calm down and wind your neck in again.

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he keeps making stuff up to support his view point and when it's proven to be wrong he calls it fake news and mugs like you keep sucking it up .You can babble on as much as you like that Trump has the authority to do what he wants with EO's but the judges say different so once again you are wrong.
Now you are just babbling.
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Obama Administration has form when it comes spying on folk just ask France, UN's Bank Ki Moon. Feel free to go ask them : That's after you calm down and wind your neck in again.

Now you are just babbling.
It's glaringly obvious to everyone with half a brain that Trump has just made that up ,what's worrying is he thinks he can get away with it
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

We can always start the thread yet again, and be nice to each other for a bit....

Trumps lies have been exposed repeatedly, but he can do no wrong for some. Wonder what his disciples would object to....
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There are "no indications" that Trump Tower was under surveillance by the US government before or after the election, a Senate committee has said.
The statement from Republican Senator Richard Burr, Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, dismissed Donald Trump's claim his phones were tapped.
So according to the Republican senator Richard Burr and the intelligence committee he chairs ,Trump is a liar and made it all up
 
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Better tell mick to stop being so aggressive then or don't the rules apply to him

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It's glaringly obvious to everyone with half a brain that Trump has just made that up ,what's worrying is he thinks he can get away with it
But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying !

If Obama Administration was capable of spying on ALLIES, why not foes, i.e. a Republican candidate? If Obama was desperate to get evidence to prove these so called Russian links : How best to do that with the tools available and they had used those tools before to even spy on friends.

Whose the mug now ?
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But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying !

If Obama Administration was capable of spying on ALLIES, why not foes, i.e. a Republican candidate? If Obama was desperate to get evidence to prove these so called Russian links : How best to do that with the tools available and they had used those tools before to even spy on friends.

Whose the mug now ?
This is a great forum with well-informed contributors and hopefully no one's a mug.
But as Hugh has explained, you can't just spy on US citizens, a court order is required and none was requested or given. That's easy to prove.
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But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying !

If Obama Administration was capable of spying on ALLIES, why not foes, i.e. a Republican candidate? If Obama was desperate to get evidence to prove these so called Russian links : How best to do that with the tools available and they had used those tools before to even spy on friends.

Whose the mug now ?
And you keep ignoring the fact that Trump has provided not one single bit of evidence to back up his lies

Here's a few people who have said that there is no evidence at all

former President Barack Obama
FBI Director James Comey
ex-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper
ex-CIA Director John Brennan
Republican chairman of House intelligence committee, Devin Nunes
Republican John McCain, who chairs Senate Committee on Armed Services
House Speaker Paul Ryan
Former White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough

I really don't know why you keep saying Obama has form for spying ,so does every other President and leader Trump has accused Obama of something completely different
 
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This is a great forum with well-informed contributors and hopefully no one's a mug.
But as Hugh has explained, you can't just spy on US citizens, a court order is required and none was requested or given. That's easy to prove.
What kind of intelligence agency would NOT need a court order to spy on a US citizen ?

A foreign one.

Obama Administration only needed to ask an ally to do their bidding, no litigation come backs. Now, which foreign entity outside US has the capability? Clue: Re-arrange these letters CQGH.
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But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying!
Every US President and for that matter, every British Prime Minister has form for spying. That's what countries do, including spying on their allies.
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Ah, so now it's the British intelligence agencies colluding against Trump. Have to hand it to you Mick, you're way ahead of the Trumpster. Maybe he'll read this thread and tweet it as a fact...
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Every US President and for that matter, every British Prime Minister has form for spying. That's what countries do, including spying on their allies.
Precisely my point, so if it's fine to spy on friends, why not DJT ?

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Ah, so now it's the British intelligence agencies colluding against Trump. Have to hand it to you Mick, you're way ahead of the Trumpster. Maybe he'll read this thread and tweet it as a fact...
Never said it was actually the case just presenting a scenario where if a spy order was issued and to avoid getting a court order, as that would leave a paper trail, therefore evidence, just get an ally to do the spying for you.
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But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying !

If Obama Administration was capable of spying on ALLIES, why not foes, i.e. a Republican candidate? If Obama was desperate to get evidence to prove these so called Russian links : How best to do that with the tools available and they had used those tools before to even spy on friends.

Whose the mug now ?
Mick I did address why the Obama administration spying on foreign allies is not the same as spying on citizens in the US. One is legal and within his remit and the other isn't.

What's more I don't understand why you're so keen to defend Trump on his considering both he and his press security are slightly backing away from the specific accusation that it was Obama who did it and that it was a wiretap. Also considering Trump hasn't provided any evidence and Republicans are saying they haven't seen any either.

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Bizarrely my Twitter feed just went crazy with the Sean Spicer accusing GCHQ of spying on Trump? Did he say that before your post? Where did come from?

Is Sean Spicer reading this thread? Are you Sean Spicer? So many questions
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Bizarrely my Twitter feed just went crazy with the Sean Spicer accusing GCHQ of spying on Trump? Did he say that before your post? Where did come from?

Is Sean Spicer reading this thread? Are you Sean Spicer? So many questions
I did think Mick was Trump at one time until he said that he didn't understand the States' obsession with guns!
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