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Old 31-12-2016, 10:05   #1336
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Doh, what the hell do you think they would do Andrew ?

A major country declares war on Russia, because to respond militarily, you are automatically declaring war on them. You think they are just going to ignore that they have nuclear war heads?
There are a number of actions short of military we can do. Not everything has to escalate to nuclear war. However we're sort of doomed anyway if that's the attitude because Russia can just continue do whatever they like if we just surrender because they have nukes.
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Good luck with that. martyh makes his own crap up as he goes along and still argues black is white and he suggests to others to stay off the coffee

...He has pointed out twice now, that I have said 'Nuclear response', no that is not what I said, I said Nuclear conflict, because that is the end result. Doh!

It does not take a genius, to work out that a military response aimed towards Russia, sparks off a Nuclear world conflict, because they are not going to respond back with a smile.

Let's have a look at the Scenario:-

US Military Response > Russia > Russia engages in full Nuclear strike back against US > US Allies with Nuclear capability, engage in Nuclear strike back against Russia > World War III.
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That does not answer the question. All it requires is yes or no.
So for the totally ignorant amongst us ,Israel cannot be a true democracy because they are a Jewish state .A Jewish state is for Jews only ,they may well have an elected Parliament (of sorts) but it is only elected by Jewish voters ,the Palestinians barring a few thousand do not get a vote
 
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So for the totally ignorant amongst us ,Israel cannot be a true democracy because they are a Jewish state .A Jewish state is for Jews only ,they may well have an elected Parliament (of sorts) but it is only elected by Jewish voters ,the Palestinians barring a few thousand do not get a vote
Interested in this. So would you say only truly secular nations can be a democracy?
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If and it's a big if the US was to take any military action against Russia it would eventually escalate beyond initial intentions including the use of nuclear weapons be they tactical or strategic. Putin has made it very clear that no military attack on Russia would go unanswered and once one starts it it will quickly escalate. Clinton was very happy to antagonise and provoke the Russians and obama as with most things sat on his backside and said and did nothing. I'm no fan of putin personally i think he's dangerous and is a threat but Russia has a large nuclear arsenal and that means different rules for them like it or not.
Same rules as has always been .Russia has always been unpredictable there's no change there ,the only real difference is that Trump will let them get away with it because he's an idiot

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Interested in this. So would you say only truly secular nations can be a democracy?
No not at all.A country aligned with religion could be a democracy if it allows non believers a say in how the country is run .The UK is defined as a Christian country but we allow Muslims and all other religions a vote ,Israel does not allow most Palestinians to vote from a Palestinians point of view Israel is a dictatorship
 
Old 31-12-2016, 11:18   #1340
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No not at all.A country aligned with religion could be a democracy if it allows non believers a say in how the country is run .The UK is defined as a Christian country but we allow Muslims and all other religions a vote ,Israel does not allow most Palestinians to vote from a Palestinians point of view Israel is a dictatorship
Fair enough. Thought you were making a different point.
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Out of the two horrendous options i do think trump is better then clinton but given how low the bar has been set that's not really saying much. Trump i think as a president will be the same as trump the businessman driven by ego the only plus point is he can't wield great power on his own and we can only hope congress and the senate keep him in line. The often quoted reason some give as why clinton would have been better is because of her political experience not sure i buy that as valid given the lousy politician she's been in the last decade. Interesting times ahead that's a certainty lets just hope at the end things are on an upward motion.
 
Old 31-12-2016, 13:23   #1342
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There are a number of actions short of military we can do. Not everything has to escalate to nuclear war. However we're sort of doomed anyway if that's the attitude because Russia can just continue do whatever they like if we just surrender because they have nukes.
We have Nukes too but do you think we stand a cat in hell's chance of winning them? And you keep saying Russia gets to do what it likes by putting it's interests first, well so does the US !
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We have Nukes too but do you think we stand a cat in hell's chance of winning them? And you keep saying Russia gets to do what it likes by putting it's interests first, well so does the US !
Yes but I prefer we and the US win in the battle of influences. A world where Russia calls the shots is worse for the UK, worse for Eastern Europe and worse for the US.
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I'm more worried about the new kid on the block - China - who're quietly beavering away like ants building islands in the South China see and buying up swathes of Africa and SA. America and exerting their influence accordingly.
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Reminds of our colonial past.. whereby we never purchased foreign lands we just took the lands.
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BREAKING: Ford Cancels $1.6bn Mexico Plant due to Pressure from President-Elect Donald Trump:-

http://news.sky.com/story/ford-cance...trump-10717038

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The carmaker says its decision - following criticism of the company by Mr Trump -is a vote of confidence in the president-elect.

Ford is cancelling plans for a $1.6bn (£1.3bn) plant in Mexico as car manufacturers come under pressure from Donald Trump over US jobs.

The announcement came hours after the president-elect threatened Ford's rival General Motors with a "big border tax" its manufacture of cars outside the US.

Ford said it was creating 700 new jobs as it expands a new assembly plant in Flat Rock, Michigan, that will build high-tech self-driving and electric vehicles.

It said the investment was being paid for from money it had previously earmarked to build a new plant in San Luis Potosi, Mexico.
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BREAKING: Ford Cancels $1.6bn Mexico Plant due to Pressure from President-Elect Donald Trump:-

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I wonder if there's more to this deal, like there was with the carrier plant once the surface was scratched, the devil is in the detail
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There's a suggestion that it may be enough to ensure that trade with Mexico remains free of tariffs. Stuart Pearson, an auto analyst at Exane BNP Paribas, said: “The question now is whether this move by Ford is a sufficient win for Trump to ease the risk of tariffs on Mexican imports. “With the president-elect able to present this as a win for his trade policy, he may backtrack from threats to impose tariffs on imports.”
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We'll see if something more comes out but for now it is a success for Trump, no point denying him that. Jobs staying in the US, even if so far it's relatively few, is what he said he would do. There may well be more such achievements to come and speaking as someone who is mildly terrified of Trump I would much rather see his Presidency be stories like that instead of the almost facist traits he has displayed.
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We'll see if something more comes out but for now it is a success for Trump, no point denying him that. Jobs staying in the US, even if so far it's relatively few, is what he said he would do. There may well be more such achievements to come and speaking as someone who is mildly terrified of Trump I would much rather see his Presidency be stories like that instead of the almost facist traits he has displayed.
At face value, one tweet creating 700 US jobs is an impressive return on Trump's time!
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