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Old 21-01-2017, 23:00   #1546
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Depends on what those viewpoints are...

I find it really bemusing that, we had Madonna of all people, being allowed to comment at the protests today, for 'Respect for women' when she herself offered 'Blow jobs' to people who voted for Hillary, what a bloody hypocrite she is and those who gave her a platform to speak on, really are a bunch of hypocrites as well.

So she was offering to commit a sexual act.

So here we have these so called women parents protesting today, who say they are embarrassed about Trump's grabbing women comment and yet they give a platform to someone who tried to buy votes with offers of a sexual act......

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The difference between Trump's comments about grabbing women and Madonna's comments about her giving blow jobs is that only the latter implies consent. The objection is not the idea of sexual acts but sexual acts without consent. Respect for Women here is about understanding the difference and understanding that it's a women's right to choose what to do with their body. It's not about an objection to sex.
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Old 21-01-2017, 23:00   #1547
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So where are they when it comes to protesting of gay rights in other Countries, far far worse situations, like I mentioned in the Middle East etc where they kill gays. Where were they then ?
As terrible as those countries are, I appreciate the fact that citizens want to protest about their own country, ahead of foreign countries where they have less influence.
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As terrible as those countries are, I appreciate the fact that citizens want to protest about their own country, ahead of foreign countries where they have less influence.
People protesting in London about Gay rights in America is not protesting in ones own Country. Try again Andrew.
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Oh here we go, how many times have you said this crap again ?
Arthur knows you're a bit defensive about Trump and is playing you like a grand piano.

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People protesting in London about Gay rights in America is not protesting in ones own Country. Try again Andrew.
I didn't say it was. Next!
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The difference between Trump's comments about grabbing women and Madonna's comments about her giving blow jobs is that only the latter implies consent. The objection is not the idea of sexual acts but sexual acts without consent. Respect for Women here is about understanding the difference and understanding that it's a women's right to choose what to do with their body. It's not about an objection to sex.
LOL - there is no difference Damien, at all.

Both are sexual remarks, both comments are as bad as each other and also there is morals, you cannot go about offering your body for sex to buy votes, ffs come on, you cannot excuse this behaviour for Madonna and then allow her to speak at a protest rally for 'Respect for Women'. I cannot respect any woman that comes out with such dirty talk in such a public way and especially from one as old as she is.

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Arthur knows you're a bit defensive about Trump and is playing you like a grand piano.
Arthur is not that immature.
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Old 21-01-2017, 23:14   #1551
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LOL - there is no difference Damien, at all.

Both are sexual remarks, both comments are as bad as each other and also there is morals, you cannot go about offering your body for sex to buy votes, ffs come on, you cannot excuse this behaviour for Madonna and then allow her to speak at a protest rally for 'Respect for Women'. I cannot respect any woman that comes out with such dirty talk in such a public way and especially from one as old as she is.
No they're not the same Mick.

A woman consenting to a sexual act and a women not consenting to a sexual act is completely different.
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I didn't say it was. Next!
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As terrible as those countries are, I appreciate the fact that citizens want to protest about their own country
You sure ? You did-end of.

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No they're not the same Mick.

A woman consenting to a sexual act and a women not consenting to a sexual act is completely different.
Yes they are.

So you think it is perfectly and morally okay to publicly offer blow jobs at a public event, to buy votes. Dear me, you do have low standards Damien.
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Ever thought of emigrating to the US Mick ? You sound as though you'd be quite at home there. Trump needs some brickies if you're good at wall building...
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Old 21-01-2017, 23:42   #1554
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You sure ? You did-end of..
I think we're talking at cross-purposes as I've never mentioned London in my posts.

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So you think it is perfectly and morally okay to publicly offer blow jobs at a public event, to buy votes. Dear me, you do have low standards Damien.
Damien's not said that offering a sexual act for votes is acceptable. I doubt most people would say that including him.
But he has explained that a consensual sexual act (such as that offered by Madonna) is different from sexual assault (as indicated by Trump's "grab 'em by the..." remarks) which surely we must all agree upon?
You can agree on this point but still believe that Trump is a good US President.
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Old 22-01-2017, 00:21   #1555
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I hope someone shoots him to be totally honest. He is a prat, he is totally against women. He believes that he has this control over women.

He is a man that has built an empire, and feels that he now has all the money. He can 'control' people.

Total wrong. Someone has to stand up against him.

I heard today that the secret service has DOUBLED guards around him. And just to prove how much he is liked. There were MORE people protesting against him today all over the world. Than those who attended his swearing in.

I would go as far as saying. He will not last six month, before someone taking a shot at him. And forget there are Court cases coming up against him. AND NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW
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I hope someone shoots him to be totally honest.
Arthur, please retract that. How can you hope that a person is shot because you don't like them? You don't even have the excuse of immaturity.

I have defended your right to express your views on this forum in the past but there are boundaries.

Btw, I would have accepted a BJ from Madonna and then voted for Donald .
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Arthur talking about presidents getting shot again?

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I hope someone shoots him to be totally honest. He is a prat, he is totally against women. He believes that he has this control over women.

He is a man that has built an empire, and feels that he now has all the money. He can 'control' people.

Total wrong. Someone has to stand up against him.

I heard today that the secret service has DOUBLED guards around him. And just to prove how much he is liked. There were MORE people protesting against him today all over the world. Than those who attended his swearing in.

I would go as far as saying. He will not last six month, before someone taking a shot at him. And forget there are Court cases coming up against him. AND NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW
Yeah like when Nixon had to stand trial for.... wait No, Like the time the Americans captured top Nazi's and sent them all to rot...ah Pardoned again, ah well. Seems to be a few thousand pretty high ranking criminals that would disagree Arthur. Everyone that serves a purpose to someones agenda is miles above the law, Forgetting the west let Hussein run wild for long enough and finally hanging him when he stopped serving their agenda. Pretty basic rule of planet earth or planet America as it's more commonly known.
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I wish he ran for the Democratic nomination. He also appears to be the most connected to the concerns of the Democratic voters who went Trump.
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He's 74, and probably thinks he's earned a rest.
Didn't his son die not to long before nominations started to?

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Trump has stuck to his word about returning the Winston Churchill bust back to the Oval Office that was removed by Barack Obama.

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It is not about liking or not, I have nothing against protesting as long as it is peaceful and meaningful. But at the same time, protesting against a democratic result, it's pointless - it's basically using democracy against democracy, it won't change anything.

Protesting against Brexit won't stop brexit.

Protesting against Trump won't remove him from the Presidency.
Well that's one promise he'll keep at least then, he's back tracked on everything else pretty much but at least he kept his word on the bust.

Meaningful protests, pretty much nothing we do is meaningful, watching TV, posting on Internet forums is all pretty meaningless, exercising your democratic rights is not meaningless imo, I doubt anyone thinks having a protest will change the election result no more than it would influence a country joining in illegal wars

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Arthur, please retract that. How can you hope that a person is shot because you don't like them? You don't even have the excuse of immaturity.

I have defended your right to express your views on this forum in the past but there are boundaries.

Btw, I would have accepted a BJ from Madonna and then voted for Donald .
That is so duplicitous you deserve a bj from the donald and to vote for madonna
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I hope someone shoots him to be totally honest. He is a prat, he is totally against women. He believes that he has this control over women.

He is a man that has built an empire, and feels that he now has all the money. He can 'control' people.

Total wrong. Someone has to stand up against him.

I heard today that the secret service has DOUBLED guards around him. And just to prove how much he is liked. There were MORE people protesting against him today all over the world. Than those who attended his swearing in.

I would go as far as saying. He will not last six month, before someone taking a shot at him. And forget there are Court cases coming up against him. AND NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW
LOL: "Noone is above the law" and you wishing he gets shot in the same post, do you seriously think before you post? I will answer that one for you: No you don't!

But seriously, stop going on about it because you are advocating a Federal crime and the act of murder or attempting murder of the current U.S President, just because you don't like them. I really did not think you could sink that low Arthur, guess I was so wrong about you.

Also, you cannot use the crowds as a measure as to how well someone is liked, he still had a significant gathering at his Inauguration. i.e hundreds of thousands, close to a million people, I would not call that small. So you cannot use crowd sizes as a measure. I had that thrown at me whenever I said Trump had way more Crowds than Hillary, at either of their rallies.

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[/COLOR]Damien's not said that offering a sexual act for votes is acceptable. I doubt most people would say that including him.
But he has explained that a consensual sexual act (such as that offered by Madonna) is different from sexual assault (as indicated by Trump's "grab 'em by the..." remarks) which surely we must all agree upon?
You can agree on this point but still believe that Trump is a good US President.
I am not on about it being consensual, I am on about it being socially acceptable, neither of those sexual terms are and neither is Madonna, publicly offering of BJ's for votes, they are both wrong and disrespectful regardless of which requires consent. The point is, you cannot take Madonna seriously, on a platform, which is about 'Respect for Women', when she offers sexual favors in exchange for votes.
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But the point of these protests is to suppress opposition to the views of the protesters. They are trying to bully people that don't agree with their views. As with everything PC and associated with the Left, speak out against them and you get shouted down as an -ist or promoting hate or a -phobia.
Are you serious ? are you saying no one should ever protest anything because they are trying to suppress opposition views or is just gay rights you object to ?
 
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