Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[edgie]

Originally Posted by Osem

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If it happens his place in history will be about as positive as Gordon Brown's.

As some one who has read what gets posted here and laughed as some of the rubbish
i thought i would join and point out that rightly or wrongly Gordon brown is still well thought of in Scotland

and the demonizing of Alex is actually quite funny if it wasn’t so sad, To personalize this decision on either side to alex Salmond is both insulting to the voters and plainly stupid.
A lot of YES voters despise the man, and NO voters think he is the best politician in the UK at the moment.

This vote is NOT about Salmond, or the SNP, its about a long term future for Scotland

Alex?

Are you best pals?

Hard to differentiate between the man and the movement, though - as he is the figurehead for the Separatist movement.

[edgie]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Hard to differentiate between the man and the movement, though - as he is the figurehead for the Separatist movement.

Its only hard for the hard of thinking ..on either side

I tend to stick to the issues and not the transient personalities

Originally Posted by Hugh

Hard to differentiate between the man and the movement, though - as he is the figurehead for the Separatist movement.

It's hard to differentiate between the SNP and a personality cult at times. Its fortunes are very closely tied to his, as the disastrous reign of J Swinney showed.

As does the tendency for sympathisers to refer to him in discussion by his first name (as has happened here) or to fly into a rage when he is attacked (as has not happened here so far).

[nashville]

Pierre What have the Scots or Welsh done to you or Cornish people

[edgie]

Originally Posted by Chris

It's hard to differentiate between the SNP and a personality cult at times. Its fortunes are very closely tied to his, as the disastrous reign of J Swinney showed.

As does the tendency for sympathisers to refer to him in discussion by his first name (as has happened here) or to fly into a rage when he is attacked (as has not happened here so far).

Why would you need to attack anyone on either side?
Surely its about the issues?
Not the personalities??

Playing the man instead of the ball is a sure sign that you are losing the argument

Originally Posted by edgie

Why would you need to attack anyone on either side?
Surely its about the issues?
Not the personalities??

Playing the man instead of the ball is a sure sign that you are losing the argument

You should phone Bute House and advise himself of that fact. After all, he said of Cameron, "while I was compiling the oil and gas index, David Cameron was still fooling around on the playing fields of Eton", and that's not the only example of his own preference for playing the man, not the ball.

I can't blame him though, it's the standard tactic when your argument based on the actual issues is so weak. And the separatist case is very, very weak.

[edgie]

Originally Posted by Chris

You should phone Bute House and advise himself of that fact. After all, he said of Cameron, "while I was compiling the oil and gas index, David Cameron was still fooling around on the playing fields of Eton", and that's not the only example of his own preference for playing the man, not the ball.

I can't blame him though, it's the standard tactic when your argument based on the actual issues is so weak. And the separatist case is very, very weak.

The "separatist case" ?? nice to see an open mind
Which bit, the emotional one?
The financial one?

Why would I bother what he said about an other transient politician who is likely to be ousted by a blonde haired colleague if he doesn’t win the next election outright.
Other than his attempt to suggest that he is better able to run an economy than the other guy

[nashville]

Wish it was over & done with Mr Salmon is really annoying me every time I see him on the TV talking nonsense. It will not happen.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by nashville

Wish it was over & done with Mr Salmon is really annoying me every time I see him on the TV talking nonsense. It will not happen.

We have got another five months of this arrogant horrible man and l for one cannot wait for him to get his comeuppance.

Mod Comment - post removed.

Let's not feed egos, please - we are not wanting to start an inter-forum conflict, so let's not focus on individuals.

Originally Posted by edgie

The "separatist case" ?? nice to see an open mind
Which bit, the emotional one?
The financial one?

Why would I bother what he said about an other transient politician who is likely to be ousted by a blonde haired colleague if he doesn’t win the next election outright.
Other than his attempt to suggest that he is better able to run an economy than the other guy

Right. So, when Salmond makes an ad hominem attack on David Cameron (and let's not pretend the use of the words "fooling around" and "Eton" are anything else), then it's no consequence, but when someone lays in to Alex Salmond, it's "Playing the man instead of the ball is a sure sign that you are losing the argument".

I'm glad we've established your double standards within 60 minutes of you joining this discussion. What were you saying earlier about laughing at rubbish?

As for "separatist": Yes. I prefer to call a spade a spade. I reject the SNP's attempt to frame this as a nationalist issue; I know plenty of Scottish-born people who are extremely proud of their nation and wish to see that nation flourish, but who reject separatism as the means by which it might flourish.

Separatism is one possible expression of nationalism and is the one the SNP is peddling. And, for the very many reasons we have gone over, and over, and over, in this thread, separatism is a pig in a poke.

[edgie]

Originally Posted by denphone

We have got another five months of this arrogant horrible man and l for one cannot wait for him to get his comeuppance.

Yep no attacking the man here

Originally Posted by edgie

The "separatist case" ?? nice to see an open mind
Which bit, the emotional one?
The financial one?

Why would I bother what he said about an other transient politician who is likely to be ousted by a blonde haired colleague if he doesn’t win the next election outright.
Other than his attempt to suggest that he is better able to run an economy than the other guy

Sorry - aren't the SNP putting forward a case for Separation from the UK?

We are happy to discuss, and disagree on various points - I am Scottish, living in England, and would like my place of birth to remain part of the UK; others views may differ, but as long as we can discuss it in a civilised manner, all to the good.

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Originally Posted by edgie

Yep no attacking the man here

Originally Posted by edgie

The "separatist case" ?? nice to see an open mind
Which bit, the emotional one?
The financial one?

Why would I bother what he said about an other transient politician who is likely to be ousted by a blonde haired colleague if he doesn’t win the next election outright.
Other than his attempt to suggest that he is better able to run an economy than the other guy

Ahem.....