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Old 04-02-2012, 18:48   #31
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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Sky also have their own fibre network, as they bought out Easynet in 2006.
Ah, now that answers my question.

So what sort of coverage do they have?
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Old 04-02-2012, 22:24   #32
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

Fibre is becoming quite popylar now
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:47   #33
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So what sort of coverage do they have?
National.
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Old 05-02-2012, 19:27   #34
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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National.
I haven't seen much evidence of that.

Are you saying that they have their own cables in most streets?
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Old 05-02-2012, 19:38   #35
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

I moved house recently, and had to get sky - it sucks. Virgin beats sky hands down on all products.
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Old 05-02-2012, 19:55   #36
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I haven't seen much evidence of that.

Are you saying that they have their own cables in most streets?
Nobody has optical cable in most streets.

Sky has their own optical backbone that covers the country, same as VM, BT, O2 and others.
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Old 05-02-2012, 20:49   #37
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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Nobody has optical cable in most streets.

Sky has their own optical backbone that covers the country, same as VM, BT, O2 and others.
That didn't really answer my question. VM have cable to most populated areas. BT have copper cables nationwide, and are currently installing fibre optic. As far as I have seen, Sky and O2 don't, which is why I was asking the question.
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Sky's fibre product for home broadband will make use of the fibre currently being rolled out by BT Openreach, same as with TalkTalk and other ISPs.

Sky's own fibre network is a separate thing, its core network, its backbone, originally acquired from purchasing Easynet. It is Sky's own fibre network which has recently had an upgrade to 100Gbps. As I said before, it may be that which you were confusing with Sky's fibre broadband product when you were saying that Sky should not claim it is "increasing the fibre optic network", as Sky has never said it is "increasing the fibre optic network" regarding its fibre broadband product. Sky's press release makes it perfectly clear that its fibre broadband product uses the BT fibre.

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Adding choice with Sky Broadband Unlimited Fibre: Sky is to give customers even more choice by adding a fibre broadband product to its range from April. For £20 a month, customers will be able to access download speeds of up to 40 megabits with a totally unlimited product that has no usage caps. From launch the new product will be available to around 30% of UK homes, growing over time in line with BT’s fibre roll-out programme.
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Old 05-02-2012, 21:12   #39
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That didn't really answer my question. VM have cable to most populated areas. BT have copper cables nationwide, and are currently installing fibre optic. As far as I have seen, Sky and O2 don't, which is why I was asking the question.
Fine, in answer to your question, no Sky don't have fibre in most streets.

Nobody does.
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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As mentioned earlier in the thread, Sky's fibre product for home broadband will make use of the fibre currently being rolled out by BT Openreach, same as with TalkTalk and other ISPs.

Sky's own fibre network is a separate thing, its core network, its backbone, originally acquired from purchasing Easynet. It is Sky's own fibre network which has recently had an upgrade to 100Gbps. As I said before, it may be that which you were confusing with Sky's fibre broadband product when you were saying that Sky should not claim it is "increasing the fibre optic network", as Sky has never said it is "increasing the fibre optic network" regarding its fibre broadband product. Sky's press release makes it perfectly clear that its fibre broadband product uses the BT fibre.
So they do still rely on BT installing their fibre optic network then?

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Fine, in answer to your question, no Sky don't have fibre in most streets.

Nobody does.
Apart from VM
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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Apart from VM
Let's take this slowly:

BT have copper wires in most streets.
VM have co-ax cable in some streets.

In the unlikely case where BT or VM have fibre in your street, it is most likely on its way to a cabinet or node.
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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So they do still rely on BT installing their fibre optic network then?
As already explained earlier in the thread, more than once:

Sky Broadband Unlimited Fibre uses the FTTC installed by Openreach.


No one has said otherwise, not Sky, not anyone in this thread.
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Old 05-02-2012, 22:21   #43
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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Let's take this slowly:

BT have copper wires in most streets.
VM have co-ax cable in some streets.

In the unlikely case where BT or VM have fibre in your street, it is most likely on its way to a cabinet or node.
Yes I know that, so there is no need to be patronising.

And yes I do know that VM use coax from the cabinet to your house.

VM have cabinets in most streets in built up areas. And as most streets are in built up areas, then VM do have fibre optic cables in most streets. And BT are trying to catch up. Sky and O2 as far as I know don't have fibre optic cables in many streets, which is why I asked the question in the first place.

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As already explained earlier in the thread, more than once:

Sky Broadband Unlimited Fibre uses the FTTC installed by Openreach.


No one has said otherwise, not Sky, not anyone in this thread.
Matt, I was asking a question, because Sky do give that impression to anyone who isn't in the know. Just as many broadband companies do.

A mate of mine who lives in a village, was complaining the other week that he had spent a whole day searching for an internet company that could give him a decent broadband speed. And until I told him that they would all use his BT line, he was under the impression that BB companies installed their own network.
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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Matt, I was asking a question, because Sky do give that impression to anyone who isn't in the know. Just as many broadband companies do.

A mate of mine who lives in a village, was complaining the other week that he had spent a whole day searching for an internet company that could give him a decent broadband speed. And until I told him that they would all use his BT line, he was under the impression that BB companies installed their own network.
How exactly does Sky give that impression?

Its own press release, quoted in the very first post of this thread, quite clearly states:

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From launch the new product will be available to around 30% of UK homes, growing over time in line with BT’s fibre roll-out programme.

As for all ISPs other than VM still using a BT line... Yes, they do use a "BT line" (although of course if the line is fully unbundled then it could actually be a "Sky line"/"TalkTalk line" etc.), but there is more to it than that. Some ISPs just re-sell a BT Wholesale ADSL package, connected via a "BT line", while others install their own equipment in the BT exchange and sell something which is actually theirs, rather than re-sell a BT Wholesale ADSL package...Such as Sky Broadband Everyday Lite and Sky Broadband Unlimited, which are Sky's LLU packages, and make use of Sky's own equipment in the exchange. Sure, they use the "BT line" to connect you to the exchange, but from the exchange onwards it's all via Sky's own network.
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Re: Sky BB fibre product

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VM have cabinets in most streets in built up areas.
Wrong, VM barely cover half the streets in built up areas.

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And as most streets are in built up areas, then VM do have fibre optic cables in most streets.
Wrong. VM do not have fibre optic cables to most of their cabinets.

I'd guess only one in 5 to one in 20 VM cabinets are actually connected to fibre. Seph would have more accurate numbers, he's gone and counted them all.

Even if every other VM cabinet had fibre, that'd still be barely one quarter of streets being covered. Not sure where you get your definition of "most" from but an absolute maximum of 25% (more likely 2-10%) is not most in most people's books.
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