29-03-2010, 13:08
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Originally Posted by danielf
It is when doing so is inefficient, causes unnecessary suffering to other animals and there are far more humane and efficient methods of deriving said benefits.
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As posted above, a large number of experts disagree with the assertion that hunting with dogs is inefficient and causes unnecessary suffering.
And since when was the only legal means of achieving an aim the one that Parliament legislates to be the most efficient?
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29-03-2010, 13:22
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Originally Posted by Chris
I don't believe that harnessing one animal's natural characteristics to derive some benefit for human activity is barbaric.
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what makes it barbaric is the human bloodlust. The very fact that an act that is meant to lead to death and is considered a sport says it all .
I do understand that fox's etc need to be controller to protect crops but I do not agree these types of hunt are the best way
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29-03-2010, 15:06
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Originally Posted by zing
well I do think your reasoning is flawed there. The last examples hardly leave an animal ripped apart do they. Angling has never floated my boat but I am told the fish does not feel pain but I do think its a cruel sport
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Your joking Cruffs has helped leave dogs in great pain for generations, taken years of their lives and generally made some breeds no than walking freak shows.
The BBC could stop showing Crufts after a documentary exposed the diseases and deformities suffered by many of Britain's 5million pedigree dogs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ak-breeds.html
The RSPCA no longer has anything to do with them either
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4761471.ece
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Originally Posted by zing
At the end of the day there are humane methods of maintaining the fox population and hunting with dogs was never efficient anyway. Barbaric to say the least chaing an animal till it can run no more then a pack of dogs tearing it apart hmmmm sporty
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Nice use of emotive language there, most hunts last 20 mins and one dog kills it IIRC
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29-03-2010, 15:12
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
tippy toes away as fast as her feet can move...
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29-03-2010, 15:13
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
I do not agree with that level of breeding although I so not see blood and guts and initiates wiping blood down their faces at Crufts but I do agree it is wrong
Just showing me that humans can do horried things isnt likely to change my opinion is it? its just likely to add to the list of nasty things I know mankind do
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29-03-2010, 15:18
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Originally Posted by zing
I do not agree with that level of breeding although I so not see blood and guts and initiates wiping blood down their faces at Crufts but I do agree it is wrong
Just showing me that humans can do horried things isnt likely to change my opinion is it? its just likely to add to the list of nasty things I know mankind do
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I am not trying to change your opinion, I like the ban, more foxes have been killed since it started than at any other time in British history I'd imagine, for instance on the first day of hunting after the ban more were killed than in the entire previous years hunts put together, it's just a shame imo that we cant do some thing about the urban fox to.
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29-03-2010, 15:26
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
Fox's are vermin and should be culled, if people want to take sport whilst doing it, it's fine by me.
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29-03-2010, 18:46
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Fox's are vermin and should be culled, if people want to take sport whilst doing it, it's fine by me.
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i thought that was townies who move to the country..
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29-03-2010, 18:56
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
I thought we were supposed to be the rational, intelligent & evolved species on the planet but seems I am wrong after reading some of the comments. People seem to positively revel in the cowardly destruction of another species with overwhelming force. It says a lot about our inherent violent nature.
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29-03-2010, 19:09
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
Its the tory way , just look at some of the ways certain tory posters attack none tories even when then the story isn't about the forthcoming election, just a persons beliefs will have them straining at the leash against their views just because their political views are opposite doesn't surprise me one bit though, i know what they stand for and its not nice.
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29-03-2010, 19:19
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Originally Posted by Chris
It saddens me how the mostly urban population of this country is so ready to legislate on countryside issues when the extent of their briefing on said issues amounts to a few dimly-recollected bedtime stories.
One carnivore tearing another to shreds isn't 'torture'. It's what happens. It's nature. Tell you what, next time one of the chickens in next door's run gets 'tortured' by Brer Fox, I'll post a photo of it for you, shall I?
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wrong Chris ,one carnivore tears another apart to eat it ,thats nature
if your neighbour doesn't the fox to get his chickens then he should build a better chicken pen
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29-03-2010, 19:25
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Its the tory way , just look at some of the ways certain tory posters attack none tories even when then the story isn't about the forthcoming election, just a persons beliefs will have them straining at the leash against their views just because their political views are opposite doesn't surprise me one bit though, i know what they stand for and its not nice.
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That's right, bjorkii - all Tories like hunting foxes, just like all Labour voters live in terraces and wear flat caps and keep whippets (when they're not out hare-coursing), and all Liberals knit muesli and wear home-woven clothing and sandals.
It must nice in your world of cliches and stereotypes, which mean you don't actually have to think about anything, just recycle diatribes and invective.
Have you thought of leaving the Labour Party and joining the BNP - that way, the average IQ of both parties would be raised......
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29-03-2010, 19:29
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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Originally Posted by Chris
It is population/pest control, yes. It is also sport, yes. Two different aims that are met by the same process. As for 'distress', well during the whole debate over the Act, 540 members of the Royal College of Vet Surgeons signed up to the statement that:
"Hunting with hounds is the natural and most humane way of controlling the population of all four quarry species" (the quarry species being mink, deer, fox and hare).
http://www.vet-wildlifemanagement.or...d=30&Itemid=32
... so, it seems, a lot of people who have expert knowledge of the subject disagree with you.
There you go with the anthropomorphism again. It's so ingrained in your approach to the subject that you don't even realise you're doing it. One animal cannot act with barbarity towards another. That is a moral judgement on behaviour that simply cannot apply.
For centuries, humans have harnessed and used properly trained animals for a wide variety of tasks. Using a dog to kill a fox is in no way different than using a dog to round up sheep..
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except the sheep dog doesn't kill the sheep
the fact is chris we live in 2010 now not the dark ages there are more efficient ways of pest controll ,30 dogs in a pack followed by 20 horses (which also get injured alot by the way)is in no way the most efficient way of pest controll .
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29-03-2010, 19:30
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
Have you thought about people having opposite political ideas than yours rather than attacking them like a rabid fox hunter , nuts whole hazel nuts they get stuck in my teeth they do.
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29-03-2010, 19:31
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Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
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