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Old 13-10-2016, 19:03   #61
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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I would advice anyone getting a face to face assessment for PIP to request a copy of their assessment report.
I would also advise them to get help from their local CAB or if they live in Scotland advice from Money Matters.
Excellent advice weenie.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Our CAB just told me to read and redread the booklet that comes with the claim form. Let it all stew in your head for a few days, then make rough notes before going anywhere near the form.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I would phone CAB again and ask if they can help you fill out the form and if they can't can they suggest somewhere who can.
I don't know if this link can help you but here it is http://www.nhsdirect.wales.nhs.uk/lo...ce.aspx?id=645
Benefit Advice Shop looks very similar to Money Matters in Scotland.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

This might help members claiming PIP or moving onto PIP

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/be.../fill-in-form/
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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This might help members claiming PIP or moving onto PIP

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/be.../fill-in-form/
Yes thats a very useful link weenie for those needing help on filling in the PIP form.
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This might help members claiming PIP or moving onto PIP

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/be.../fill-in-form/
Cheers for that I'll no doubt be up for swapping over soon and it terrifies me.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I can barely walk many days and used to have DLA, but even my DLA it required a tribunal to issue an award on both occasions, the second time the chair even wrote a letter to the DWP saying their stubborness was wasting resources as my case was an easy decision. My area has been running PIP for a couple of years and given that PIP has made it significantly harder to claim for mobility I simply didnt bother.

I know its only my opinion but as an example DLA used 50 metres as a guide to decide if someone is virtually unable to walk, this got reduced to 20 metres for PIP and the only sense that makes is for accountants. Can anyone say that someone who can walk 40 metres unhindered is less disabled than someone who can walk 20 metres? both are very tiny distances.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

This is the demon that is black-and-white. No wriggle room, no compassion, no true understanding of the situation. Typical Tory stuff.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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I can barely walk many days and used to have DLA, but even my DLA it required a tribunal to issue an award on both occasions, the second time the chair even wrote a letter to the DWP saying their stubborness was wasting resources as my case was an easy decision. My area has been running PIP for a couple of years and given that PIP has made it significantly harder to claim for mobility I simply didnt bother.

I know its only my opinion but as an example DLA used 50 metres as a guide to decide if someone is virtually unable to walk, this got reduced to 20 metres for PIP and the only sense that makes is for accountants. Can anyone say that someone who can walk 40 metres unhindered is less disabled than someone who can walk 20 metres? both are very tiny distances.
Sorry to hear that the DWP put you through this.

Whilst it is believed that this new system is designed to put people off claiming, I would urge you to try for PIP as this is exactly the outcome that Cameron wanted when he introduced it.

Whilst it's true that a lot of claims are turned down and that the DWP rarely change their decision at the Mandatory Consideration stage, when it goes to the tribunal stage the success rate is very good when independent people become involved.

As a result, the scrapping of DLA is not producing the savings expected (people are less likely to get help with mobility, but more likely to receive care).

The Government intend to deal with this sucess rate by changing the system:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...unals-disabled

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This is the demon that is black-and-white. No wriggle room, no compassion, no true understanding of the situation. Typical Tory stuff.
What else can you expect from the subordinate subservient DWP who carry out relentlessly the political dogma of those in power without compassion and humanity words which many in the organisation have never heard of sadly.

Hopefully the new work and pensions minister at the helm will be better then the last one as one can only hope.
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What else can you expect from the subordinate subservient DWP who carry out relentlessly the political dogma of those in power without compassion and humanity which many in the organisation have never heard of sadly.

Hopefully the new work and pensions minister at the helm will be better then the last one as one can only hope.
You do realise this sorts of things were going on long before 2010? A National Audit Office report highlighted problems, way back in 2003.
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You do realise this sorts of things were going on long before 2010?
l did say those in power which includes previous governments as well NK as one cannot just blame the current lot.
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l did say those in power which includes previous governments as well NK as one cannot just blame the current lot.
But doesn't that demonstrate that the problem is with the staff?
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But doesn't that demonstrate that the problem is with the staff?
You have to remember the main DWP staff are given orders from the top apparatus of the DWP who themselves generally carry out the policies of those in power and sadly staff lower down are too afraid to question anything as they are likely to lose their jobs if they start questioning the policies of those higher up in the DWP.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Erm, as someone who's wife works in the DWP, can I just remind people that Civil Servants carry out the policies implemented by the elected Government - they can't just decide not to do things or change the rules because someone disagrees with those rules and policies.

Doing so would be a dismissal offence, just like it would be in most jobs (say, for instance, a supermarket check out operator decided not to charge a shopper for a trolley full of food because the customer looked poor).

If you are unhappy with the policies, lobby your MP to get them change, don't blame the poor bloody civil servant carrying out the policies.
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