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Old 01-08-2017, 10:33   #211
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... and what happens if/when their 2040 deadline is there and the required national infrastructure isn't? Providing enough charging points is going to be a massive task and it wouldn't surprise me if half way through the hugely costly and protracted process they drop the whole thing in favour of something else. Remember it was only a couple of years ago that they were cajoling people into buying diesel cars. I bought one and now I'm a pariah...

You keep drawing analogies with phones and the internet - if they don't start digging up roads and putting in charging points soon it'll be too late. If they can come up with a way to charge up cars wirelessly via the internet maybe they have a chance...
Our previous history on a good many huge infrastructure projects does not make for good reading.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.

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it's sorted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptlhgFaB89Y
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the way electricity prices are rising no one will be able to afford to charge up a car in 23 years

British Gas to put up electricity bills by 12.5%, owner Centrica says

http://news.sky.com/story/british-ga...-says-10969486
Sound business sense. Lose 377,000 customers in the first half of the year, put your prices up to win them back!
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Sound business sense. Lose 377,000 customers in the first half of the year, put your prices up to win them back!
they can smell the oncoming dependency on electricity
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Sound business sense. Lose 377,000 customers in the first half of the year, put your prices up to win them back!
Sadly the other suppliers will follow suit pretty quickly.
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Sadly the other suppliers will follow suit pretty quickly.
well with the government switching to total dependency on electricity we can expect price rises in the high % bracket every few months for the next 23 years .

charging your car up will be 10x the cost of petrol /diesel well done greentards
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well with the government switching to total dependency on electricity we can expect price rises in the high % bracket every few months for the next 23 years .

charging your car up will be 10x the cost of petrol /diesel well done greentards
Correct, they'll let us believe how cheap it's going to be and then when it's done we're all totally dependent on electric vehicles the prices will rise and people will wake up to the reality that they have no choice. It's not like the electricity companies are everybody's favourites either is it but I dare say we'll get a whole load of assurances about how well they'll be regulated and how well the 'market' will work blah blah blah...
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Correct, they'll let us believe how cheap it's going to be and then when it's done we're all totally dependent on electric vehicles the prices will rise and people will wake up to the reality that they have no choice. It's not like the electricity companies are everybody's favourites either is it but I dare say we'll get a whole load of assurances about how well they'll be regulated and how well the 'market' will work blah blah blah...
like privatising energy was gonna be cheaper and nuclear would be practically free of charge .
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like privatising energy was gonna be cheaper and nuclear would be practically free of charge .
Never believe what you hear most of the time as usually its total ********.
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Never believe what you hear most of the time as usually its total ********.
You're being too hard on other posters again Den

Too many cars is the problem - many households having one for each resident. Double the road tax for each additional car. Quadruple it for Audi and BMW owners as they drive like ******s and indeed are ******s should you be unfortunate enough to meet one.
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Correct, they'll let us believe how cheap it's going to be and then when it's done we're all totally dependent on electric vehicles the prices will rise and people will wake up to the reality that they have no choice. It's not like the electricity companies are everybody's favourites either is it but I dare say we'll get a whole load of assurances about how well they'll be regulated and how well the 'market' will work blah blah blah...
Well we've been 'totally dependent' on fuel based cars up until now. It's not as if fuel can't further rocket in price as oil supplies become harder to extract and instability in the middle east restricts supply.

You can generate equivalent levels of energy cheaper than the fuel you get at the pump. Electricity is the just the medium that allows it's transport. The key is getting the energy generated in the first place and we have more than enough notice to work on it - something we should be doing anyway given how crucial energy supply is just as a national security issue.

I didn't think there would be much support for nationalising the energy companies on here given how much even regulating their prices was view with absolute horror on here when Red Ed suggested it but maybe that is a way to make it cheaper?

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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.

I can't quite understand why the rotation of the wheels on the car cannot be used to generate the energy needed to replenish the battery. But then again, I always knew I'd never be a rocket scientist!

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Correct, they'll let us believe how cheap it's going to be and then when it's done we're all totally dependent on electric vehicles the prices will rise and people will wake up to the reality that they have no choice. It's not like the electricity companies are everybody's favourites either is it but I dare say we'll get a whole load of assurances about how well they'll be regulated and how well the 'market' will work blah blah blah...
Well, they might get a shock if we decide to run our cars on cow poo. If it works on buses...
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I can't quite understand why the rotation of the wheels on the car cannot be used to generate the energy needed to replenish the battery. But then again, I always knew I'd never be a rocket scientist!
They do in electric cars when you brake. When that happens you're taking energy out of the rotating wheels which the car turns into electricity that goes back into the battery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake

Most electric and hybrid cars have display of some form that tells you where the energy is coming from and going to.
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I can't quite understand why the rotation of the wheels on the car cannot be used to generate the energy needed to replenish the battery. But then again, I always knew I'd never be a rocket scientist!
Electric/Hybrid cars already sort of do this but on breaking: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/mag...rative-braking

I think this is also roughly how alternators work but in that case some of the energy from the fuel is being put into the battery, here it wouldn't make sense because you would just the looping it from the battery and back into the battery. Instead electric cars look at conserving energy in other ways such as the breaking.
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I'd call 60 years quite long ago as far as people are concerned.
What about 10? The iPhone I used to run GTA: San Andreas 10th Anniversary edition in 2013 was considerably more powerful than the PC I used to run GTA: San Andreas in 2003.

I've seen a lot of people complain about this on here and on facebook appear to think nothing will change.

I have a few points.
  1. 2040 is a long way away. A lot can happen in the next 22 years, including building a network of charging stations if necessary.
  2. Technology changes. Batterys made in 2017 are considerably more efficient than those made in 1995. They charge faster, and often have higher capacities for the same size. There is no reason to assume that in the next 22 years, we won't discover at least one new formula that improves battery life. That's assuming that batteries are the only viable source for the electricity, and that electricity is the only viable way to power the car. There will also be improvements in the technology of cars that may improve efficiency.
  3. I said on Facebook that I remember being told at school that BP had estimated that at (then current) rates of use, the planet would run out of oil in about 2030. Usage will have changed, and other deposits have been found since then, so that estimate is not accurate. However, the world does have a finite supply of oil, and it seems likely it will run out sooner rather than later.

We also had one poster say until an electric car can do 600 miles on one charge, it won't be worth it. Really? How often do you drive 600 miles in one day? When you go home at the end of the day, what do you do with the car? Do you leave it outside your home (perhaps on the drive). Where your diesel car would be sitting there for 8-10 hours (or more) while you sit at home doing whatever, then sleeping, it could be charging for the next day. Yes, you pay to charge the car, but you are already paying for fuel (and seeing as you need to drive to the petrol station, you are effectively buying extra fuel so you can buy fuel) so charging may actually be cheaper.

One of my neighbours had a BMW he made heavy use of, both for work and family life. He sold it a year or so back and bought a Tesla Model S. It's a lovely car. He uses it just as much as he did the BMW, he just has to remember to plug it in when he gets home.
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