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Old 16-01-2017, 19:09   #151
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Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Many UK companies offer staff access to workplace health insurance from the likes of Axa PPP and Bupa. Presumably, these are similar to the schemes in France and Germany.
No, they're not...

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Re: Crisis in the NHS

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I was listening to a phone in regarding GP services this morning and it apparent that there's a huge variance in appointment making procedures which is a big factor in how difficult it is to get to see a GP at a reasonable time. Our surgery has expanded greatly in the last 10 years but it's still possible to get a same day appointment and they also offer a ring back service where a GP will call to discuss your problems the same day. If you want to see a specific GP at a convenient time that may involve a delay of a week or two but if it's an urgent problem one of the other options would be available.

Having listened to all the callers it seems some surgeries have really efficient procedures which offer a range of alternatives for those wanting to consult a GP whilst others operate systems which are frankly inefficient and even amateurish. I can't understand why there isn't a nationally imposed model for handling appointments which reflects best practice because it's evident that some (maybe many) surgeries are falling way short of what they could offer their patients. It seems to me that might be a very good place to start the process of getting the best from the available resources.
A standardised booking system available to all GPs. Linking up the systems across the NHS so a GP can see the progress of a patient in real time as well as referrals etc and making patients' health records move seamlessly across the service would be a good start.

They start these projects, reward them to the cheapest provider, and then abandoning them when the cost and scale rises. However it's got to the done eventually.
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Old 16-01-2017, 20:51   #153
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Re: Crisis in the NHS

Why is there not a dedicated NHS lottery?.I have never done the lottery as i always believed it should be many winners at one million pounds each as that would transform more people's lives rather than one winner at 50 million.What is the price of a ticket now €2.50 i believe.if they made it a pound and it was guaranteed to go exclusivly to the NHS i would buy a couple every week for sure.Also i believe richard branson offered to run the lottery at no charge.i bet he would still do that for an NHS lottery.
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Old 16-01-2017, 21:02   #154
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Why is there not a dedicated NHS lottery?.I have never done the lottery as i always believed it should be many winners at one million pounds each as that would transform more people's lives rather than one winner at 50 million.What is the price of a ticket now €2.50 i believe.if they made it a pound and it was guaranteed to go exclusivly to the NHS i would buy a couple every week for sure.Also i believe richard branson offered to run the lottery at no charge.i bet he would still do that for an NHS lottery.
It's the government's job to raise money for services through taxes not the lottery .We can't have vital services like the NHS dependant on people's desire to play the lottery
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Old 16-01-2017, 21:11   #155
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I thought there was an NHS based lottery although i could be wrong.
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Old 16-01-2017, 21:16   #156
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I thought there was an NHS based lottery although i could be wrong.
There is the Health Lottery which is nothing to do with the NHS and raises money for local health charities
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I thought there was an NHS based lottery although i could be wrong.
There is this but it doesn't fund the NHS. https://www.healthlottery.co.uk/about-us

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Re: Crisis in the NHS

That is the best question l have heard so far in this forum.

Yes, there should be a lottery for the NHS. And it could go towards a new baby unit, cancer unit or improving the services in A& E.

There is one very large question to ask and answer. Who would run it. The hospital, or the beaucrates that run the trust.

IF, l bought a NHS Lottery ticket - even a fiver, YES a fiver. Then where would that FIVER go.

I will tell you. 2 quid would go to the Management for running it. 2 quid would go on producing the ticket. and 50p would go towards some **** who think he should get commission, And the other 50p would go to the Hospital.

You only have to look at Camelot. They have luxury offices in Watford, l believe. And the Directors pay themselves thousands of pounds each year. And now they have put up the price to 2 quid.

I have bought Health Lottery tickets, but when l found out that it wasn't going toward Hospitals. I stopped paying it.

NHS Lottery is a brilliant idea, and yes l would pay a fiver. As they are NOT getting proper funding from this crap Government. And if l won it. I would give 50pc to the nearest hospital. And keep the rest.

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IF, l bought a NHS Lottery ticket - even a fiver, YES a fiver. Then where would that FIVER go.
If all of your £5 went to the NHS there would be no prize money and it would be a donation, not a lottery!
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Re: Crisis in the NHS

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If all of your £5 went to the NHS there would be no prize money and it would be a donation, not a lottery!
Then he wouldn't be buying a lottery ticket.
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Old 17-01-2017, 00:45   #161
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Then he wouldn't be buying a lottery ticket.
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It's the government's job to raise money for services through taxes not the lottery .We can't have vital services like the NHS dependant on people's desire to play the lottery
Of course this would be on top of the current government funding.Not in place off.As i mentioned before, ask mr branson to run it for free, as he offered too before the government gave it back to the camelot "fat cats" again.I bet you people would desert camelot's lottery in droves if they thought their money was going to the NHS.Simples.Oh and peoples desire to play the lottery/gamble is insatiable these days and so would ensure a "healthy"supply of funding to the NHS.
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Thanks for the clarification guys i knew I'd seen lottery and health advertised somewhere but these days i have trouble remembering details.
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There is the Health Lottery which is nothing to do with the NHS and raises money for local health charities
And earns the porn king that runs it quite a few bob too...
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Of course this would be on top of the current government funding.Not in place off.As i mentioned before, ask mr branson to run it for free, as he offered too before the government gave it back to the camelot "fat cats" again.I bet you people would desert camelot's lottery in droves if they thought their money was going to the NHS.Simples.Oh and peoples desire to play the lottery/gamble is insatiable these days and so would ensure a "healthy"supply of funding to the NHS.
tbf, he said it wouldn't make a profit, not that he would run it for free..

Camelot currently make just under two pence profit on every £2 ticket, and Camelot is owned by a Canadian Teachers Pension Fund, so any profit goes to paying Ontario Teachers pensions...

https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/l...the-money-goes
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From total ticket sales of £7,595 million in the year ending 31 March 2016:

£1,901 million was raised for National Lottery projects
£4,198 million was paid to players in prizes
£911 million went to the Government in Lottery Duty
£333 million was earned by retailers in commission
So Camelot make around £75-80 million in profit each year on seven and a half billion pounds in sales - not exactly a massive profit margin...
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