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Old 02-07-2017, 22:06   #316
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

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So how is this amnesty going to work? Will those there illegally be rehoused? Will those illegally subletting out their flat be allowed to get yet another flat?
Yes and yes I suspect.

Of course the media frenzy is ensuring that any shame and wrongdoing lies solely on the LA's shoulders, there's going to be no appetite to expose any wrongdoing by residents.
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Old 02-07-2017, 22:14   #317
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

i assume they just want them to come forward and let them know who was living there.
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Old 02-07-2017, 22:51   #318
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i assume they just want them to come forward and let them know who was living there.
Yes they need to get the numbers sorted sadly.
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i assume they just want them to come forward and let them know who was living there.
But the actual occupants of the flats at the time will be a mix of dead and alive. What happens in the case of live ones and the real tenant comes forward? What happens where a sub-letter simply turns up and claims a new home? How much about their illegal tenants will they know?
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

if you sublet your flat to a third party don't you then become the landlord and then are responsible for fire safety standards
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

I thought perhaps that subletters might be responsible for rehousing their "tenants", but no they're not.
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As discussed above, there is no rule, act of Parliament or case law which provides in the event of a property rendered uninhabitable by some disaster that the landlord must start ringing round accommodation providers or hotels, arranging alternative accommodation and providing the details or keys to the tenant. It is submitted this is the case even if the landlord was at fault and somehow caused the fire.
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Where rent is payable on a tenancy and there is no exception in the case of fire, then, the tenant remains bound to pay the rent even though the house is burnt down because the land remains and the parties were free to agree a contrary stipulation in the tenancy had the parties intended [Matthey v Curling [1922] 2 A.C. 180]. This rule applies even if the landlord has received the insurance money from insures [Lofft v Dennis (1859) 1 E. & E. 474] (authors note: I wouldn’t like to take this to the Supreme Court given the modern law!)
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if you sublet your flat to a third party don't you then become the landlord and then are responsible for fire safety standards
Good point, but isn't it in the tenancy agreement that you can't sublet?

Will this also open the doors for false compensation claims for non-existant extended family members?

I'm not saying it will happen but it has to be a possibility.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

Or if you sublet your flat, collect the housing benefit, and the rent. Makes you a criminal ****. But can't say that because the whole disaster is a class war, a conspiracy by the Tory elite to kill Corbyn lovers, and all residents were saints and everyone else are *******s .
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

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Good point, but isn't it in the tenancy agreement that you can't sublet?

Will this also open the doors for false compensation claims for non-existant extended family members?

I'm not saying it will happen but it has to be a possibility.
It has happened already a man is in police custody for false compensation claims for family he said died in the blaze.
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Old 03-07-2017, 01:15   #325
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It has happened already a man is in police custody for false compensation claims for family he said died in the blaze.
And it is people like that who make the genuine people that have suffered suffer more!
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And it is people like that who make the genuine people that have suffered suffer more!
Yes thats true hopefully a custodial sentence will follow.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

The survivors now have a list of demands via the BMELawyers4Grenfel (a team of black and minority ethnic lawyers who are supporting them).

One or two I kind of agree with, but some could lose them some support. Such as 'Confirmation in writing from the home secretary within 28 days that undocumented survivors are given full UK citizenship'.

Though I'm not sure they are in much of a position to demand anything, some of those demands are just out of order.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nse-to-tragedy
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Hmm, so a "team of black and minority ethnic lawyers" wants "A properly diverse expert panel to sit alongside the inquiry judge".

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One or two I kind of agree with, but some could lose them some support. Such as 'Confirmation in writing from the home secretary within 28 days that undocumented survivors are given full UK citizenship'.
Don't see how that computes.
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As if they are the only one's with a crappy council that doesn't listen they have no right to demand anything but all the evidence be seen and heard. More i hear about some of these "victims" the more i think chancer out for everything they can grab and make out of this situation. Now racial positions are appearing in all this it's just going to get worse to be honest the government is screwed whatever happens and it has sod all to do with justice.
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