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Old 15-04-2017, 16:46   #1231
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

What is interesting here is the Pavlovian reaction to Andrew's post re: the Irish article. Instant denial, the same old insults in the place of argued rebuttal and debate.

And the most telling of all, in terms of the honesty of the Leavers here and that is lack of defense of the charge made by the link posted above:

Vote Leave director admits they won because they lied to the public

What I will get here is a "I don't care because we won" response but who really won here? I await the playground insults with baited breath
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Old 15-04-2017, 16:55   #1232
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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What is interesting here is the Pavlovian reaction to Andrew's post re: the Irish article. Instant denial, the same old insults in the place of argued rebuttal and debate.

And the most telling of all, in terms of the honesty of the Leavers here and that is lack of defense of the charge made by the link posted above:

Vote Leave director admits they won because they lied to the public

What I will get here is a "I don't care because we won" response but who really won here? I await the playground insults with baited breath
we did all that this morning and a mod warning was issued -move on
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and your not very good a losing , now i understand your getting upset about all the things that went on during the eu debates but you chose to get involved at some level. if you can't/couldn't take it then you should have stayed out of it

its clear the more you read about the subject the more upset you become
had the vote gone your way i doubt very much you would be moaning about the win .
I was actually undecided during the debates after being a rabid leaver for about a decade, never let facts get in the way though, they certainly didn't during the campaigns and I think I'd be moaning even more had remain won and I'd been duped into voting for them.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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What is interesting here is the Pavlovian reaction to Andrew's post re: the Irish article. Instant denial, the same old insults in the place of argued rebuttal and debate.

And the most telling of all, in terms of the honesty of the Leavers here and that is lack of defense of the charge made by the link posted above:

Vote Leave director admits they won because they lied to the public

What I will get here is a "I don't care because we won" response but who really won here? I await the playground insults with baited breath
Perhaps because all the arguments have been done to death?

I would have voted leave if I'd never heard a single word from 'Vote Leave'.

Really, it's all water under the bridge now and to move forward you need to reconcile yourself to that fact.

Besides, it's stifling your previously interesting posting if I might say so
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Why Remainers must ACCEPT Brexit: Victory would have been 'LANDSLIDE' if run like election


John Longworth, of Leave Means Leave, said Brexiteers would have been celebrating an even bigger win had parliamentary constituencies been taken into account.

The former director-general of the British Chambers of Commerce added the British public was given “misinformation” about what the economy would look like post-Brexit and certain bodies had purposefully not revealed any likely benefits.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/792...neral-election
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

That's what I was thinking. Leave claiming that we could give (was it could or would?) might have been disingenuous.....but we still could do it after we've left. Remain however did lie about WW3 and other fanciful claims of doom and gloom etc
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That's what I was thinking. Leave claiming that we could give (was it could or would?) might have been disingenuous.....but we still could do it after we've left. Remain however did lie about WW3 and other fanciful claims of doom and gloom etc
Correct. It'll be our choice as opposed to that of the EU.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

I've an idea.

Instead of giving the EU the (non legally binding) £60 Billion as part of our Brexit deal, how about we give that to the NHS?
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I've an idea.

Instead of giving the EU the (non legally binding) £60 Billion as part of our Brexit deal, how about we give that to the NHS?
Is that suggestion or a promise...? Looks like a suggestion to me like the one that was made pre-June 23rd 2016.
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That's what I was thinking. Leave claiming that we could give (was it could or would?) might have been disingenuous.....but we still could do it after we've left. Remain however did lie about WW3 and other fanciful claims of doom and gloom etc
Weren't we threatening to go to war over Gibraltar the other day
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Is that suggestion or a promise...? Looks like a suggestion to me like the one that was made pre-June 23rd 2016.
It has the same credibility as anything the leave campign suggested or pledged.

They as I are not in government and have no say on where our money is spent.

It's a good idea though don't you think?
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Weren't we threatening to go to war over Gibraltar the other day
That wasn't us. That was just some nob vaguely related to our government apparatus.
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That was just some nob vaguely related to our government apparatus.
On that we can agree, I've some advice for who ever woke up old lord "something of the night", don't do it again.
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It has the same credibility as anything the leave campign suggested or pledged.

They as I are not in government and have no say on where our money is spent.

It's a good idea though don't you think?
Oh yes, but I am not going to hold you to account, if the money does go elsewhere as, like you say, just like the Brexit campaigners, they are/were not in a position to offer similar ideas. Therefore the ridiculous notion that, you are potentially lying to me, if said idea does not come to be further down the line.
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Oh yes, but I am not going to hold you to account, if the money does go elsewhere as, like you say, just like the Brexit campaigners, they are/were not in a position to offer similar ideas. Therefore the ridiculous notion that, you are potentially lying to me, if said idea does not come to be further down the line.
That's not what's got my goat, most people that paid any attention suspected they were lying, what's annoyed me is rather than be glad they got away with it one of the people responsibly is boasting about it in the press, making claims about how much impact and influence it had over the electorate and is presumably getting paid a fee for spilling the beans, it's almost got me as annoyed as when bliar said it was time to move on after Iraq.
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