Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

Sadly not everyone with a disability has a Natalie or a partner working full time and able to make them a dependent.

Damn I thought it was bad back in the 70s but I think it's going to get much worse than then.

I wonder if there are children having to share a boiled egg like my mother and aunt had to during the years of the Great Depression?

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Sadly not everyone with a disability has a Natalie or a partner working full time and able to make them a dependent.

Damn I thought it was bad back in the 70s but I think it's going to get much worse than then.

I wonder if there are children having to share a boiled egg like my mother and aunt had to during the years of the Great Depression?

Indeed I am very fortunate but won't be a le to do what I'm doing for much longer.

Anyway yes there are children like this.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Sadly not everyone with a disability has a Natalie or a partner working full time and able to make them a dependent.

Damn I thought it was bad back in the 70s but I think it's going to get much worse than then.

I wonder if there are children having to share a boiled egg like my mother and aunt had to during the years of the Great Depression?

I'm glad someone other than me can see what the future is going to be.

shall you and I save the country and stop it whilst we can. or shall we just hold on tight and hope another country in the world comes and rescues us at the time?

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by martyh

You sure about that, i suspect that is wrong and you gave up your job for nothing

a lot of companies will automatically discipline you for sickness, even with valid evidence. My sister got disciplined for having a stroke. Although after that she did survive a redundancy cull they did afterwards, but nevetherless she is a step up the disciplinary table in her company.

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

A few pearls of wisdom from the job centre wheni was still seeing the DEA.

Having to attend hospital once or twice a week is not a barrier to getting full time employment - any employer will allow you to make up the time.

The access to work scheme means that an employer will have no problem taking you on as the government will pay part of the cost of the specialist equipment to do so. Oddly though in all the interviews I've had a fair few have cited the reason they can't afford this as a reason for me not getting the job.

Then of course as I've mentioned elsewhere the job centre won't let me see the DEA now until I've been assessed for ESA.

But despite all this I'm still doing it all off my own back now, I would appreciate help from the government with it but it seems sadly lacking.

Does it stress me out ? Yep but there's nothing I can do about it so I plod on.

Now that Natalie lives with me I'm not on means tested benefits do I can do work from home like fixing pcs which is what I do a lot of.

I also work from home now, its probably the only way I can work. I even had to give up charity work I did as I couldnt fulfill my commitments.

Like yourself I found no help whatsoever from the government in obtaining work, it was all done of my own back, (and no martyh mandating people to do shelve stacking is not helping them find suitable work.)

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I also work from home now, its probably the only way I can work. I even had to give up charity work I did as I couldnt fulfill my commitments.

Like yourself I found no help whatsoever from the government in obtaining work, it was all done of my own back, (and no martyh mandating people to do shelve stacking is not helping them find suitable work.)

You have just admitted that you work from home and you managed it all by yourself and yet you still want the government (or tax payer) to hold your hand .You are exactly what is wrong in society today ,too many people rely on the government to hold their hand and support them when in reality (as you have proven) many are quite capable of doing it themselves if they actually try ...as it is supposed to be .You will find that over the next few years quite a few people who couldn't manage will, all of a sudden ,be able to manage when the support stops or is reduced

Originally Posted by martyh

You have just admitted that you work from home and you managed it all by yourself and yet you still want the government (or tax payer) to hold your hand .You are exactly what is wrong in society today ,too many people rely on the government to hold their hand and support them when in reality (as you have proven) many are quite capable of doing it themselves if they actually try ...as it is supposed to be .You will find that over the next few years quite a few people who couldn't manage will, all of a sudden ,be able to manage when the support stops or is reduced

Well you had better hope that nothing untoward happens in your life and you find yourself in a situation that many that you jeer at on CF have found themselves and struggling to get by through no fault of their own..Then maybe you will begin to have some true empathy with them.

That expression 'there but for the grace of god/fate' holds very true.It can happen to anyone.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by martyh

You have just admitted that you work from home and you managed it all by yourself and yet you still want the government (or tax payer) to hold your hand .You are exactly what is wrong in society today ,too many people rely on the government to hold their hand and support them when in reality (as you have proven) many are quite capable of doing it themselves if they actually try ...as it is supposed to be .You will find that over the next few years quite a few people who couldn't manage will, all of a sudden ,be able to manage when the support stops or is reduced

I did but if I had no state support I wouldnt have even got the chance as instead I would have been homeless concentrating on getting food and somewhere to sleep instead of trying to get my life back on track.

What you have discounted is the time period between when I lost my jessops job and when I was earning enough to support myself, as if that time period didnt exist.

You still have yet to reveal your background and your motive for your reasoning.

Its also probable if I was been forced to do work related activities which had no relation to what I could possibly do I would never have achieved anything.

You are very wrong on what you think will happen, its already been proven in the states. When welfare support stops people dont magically get cured and start working, instead you get homeless piling up on the streets and things like soup kitchens popping up. Families will get strained as well as vulnerable people will become dependant on family members.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well you had better hope that nothing untoward happens in your life and you find yourself in a situation that many that you jeer at on CF have found themselves and struggling to get by through no fault of their own..Then maybe you will begin to have some true empathy with them.

That expression 'there but for the grace of god/fate' holds very true.It can happen to anyone.

Oh get of your soap box Maggie ,no where have i "jeered" at anyone on CF .Chrys has himself pointed out that he works from home and sorted it out for himself so why would he need government help if by his own admission he is quite capable of doing it himself .

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by martyh

Oh get of your soap box Maggie ,no where have i "jeered" at anyone on CF .Chrys has himself pointed out that he works from home and sorted it out for himself so why would he need government help if by his own admission he is quite capable of doing it himself .

You jeering, you think you above anyone who is a claimant because you got lucky with your health.

I needed the financial help, that is very clear.

The point I made is all the noise government's make about helping people with work, training etc. is pretty much all noise. There way of helping people into work is compulsory activity that fits what employers need cheap labour for rather than suitable help.

The other point I am making is you see it that everyone in society needs to be productive paying into it, I see it as the able of society should look after the vulnerable in society. I have moaned about many things in life but I have never moaned about taxes and never about supporting people on benefits. That was the case as well even before I had ever claimed any benefits. I started doing charity work since I was 17 where I used to do furniture deliveries to elderly people's homes for a charity one day a week, and I even carried that on when I was doing 6 12 hour shifts a week.
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I did but if I had no state support I wouldnt have even got the chance as instead I would have been homeless concentrating on getting food and somewhere to sleep instead of trying to get my life back on track.

What you have discounted is the time period between when I lost my jessops job and when I was earning enough to support myself, as if that time period didnt exist.

You still have yet to reveal your background and your motive for your reasoning.

Its also probable if I was been forced to do work related activities which had no relation to what I could possibly do I would never have achieved anything.

You are very wrong on what you think will happen, its already been proven in the states. When welfare support stops people dont magically get cured and start working, instead you get homeless piling up on the streets and things like soup kitchens popping up. Families will get strained as well as vulnerable people will become dependant on family members.

mmm the sound of back peddling is deafening Chrys . In your previous post you quite clearly stated that "I found no help whatsoever from the government in obtaining work" but in the next post you state you did .I was only commenting on the fact that you objected to not getting any government support in finding a job despite ,according to you ,managing to sort work out for yourself .
I should point out for the benefit of some that if you have managed to source work and work from home then i applaud that and will earn respect from me and many others ,but relying on or expecting the state to support you when you are quite clearly on your own admission capable of doing it yourself should earn you no respect.
I sincerely hope it is the former

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

You jeering, you think you above anyone who is a claimant because you got lucky with your health.

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Well i can't help it if that's how you choose to interpret posts

The point I made is all the noise government's make about helping people with work, training etc. is pretty much all noise. There way of helping people into work is compulsory activity that fits what employers need cheap labour for rather than suitable help.

How about you ask all the people that training schemes have helped into work if they think they are a waste of time

The other point I am making is you see it that everyone in society needs to be productive paying into it, I see it as the able of society should look after the vulnerable in society. I have moaned about many things in life but I have never moaned about taxes and never about supporting people on benefits. That was the case as well even before I had ever claimed any benefits. I started doing charity work since I was 17 where I used to do furniture deliveries to elderly people's homes for a charity one day a week, and I even carried that on when I was doing 6 12 hour shifts a week

and if you bother to read and absorb anything i have posted you will see that i have said exactly the same. The only difference is that i have had the temerity ,the outright gall ,to suggest that some registered disabled people are lazy and need a boot up their jaksy to get them to realise that maybe they aren't as helpless as they think they are

There are very few jobs in my local area full stop let alone those that would employ a disabled person so if welfare stops for say fifty people in my area how the hell are they suddenly supposed to manage for themselves then Marty jobs don't just appear. It really isn't as simple as you make it out and quite often when you talk on the subject you don't need to state you don't know much about the reality of the system because your posts scream it. Reading what is on websites and hearing what some two faced government lapdog has to say are totally different to living within this system.

Being honest i am going to stay out of these types of threads from now on i can see exactly where the wind is blowing and although i have always said i wouldn't wish my illness on my worst enemy these days there are quite a few i would be happy to see in my boat and the same boat as many other medically disabled so they would start to understand and realise how pathetic and petty these reforms are.

[Chrysalis]

To me qualification for IB/ESA or whatever it be called in future probably UC as that law is signed off now is not about if someone can do work from home or whatever but more about if they employable and capable of getting a job via normal means. That is very different to someone starting a business from home.

The new way of identifying if someone is capable of work is flawed and I wont stand by it ever, its purpose is simply to save money.

Everyone reading this thread will have read enough now to make their own judgements, but you come across martyh as someone who advocates "survival of the fittest" and a general advocate of slave labour practices. My guess is I come out on top with respect points. Bye for now, unsubbing from the thread again as taking too much time up responding just to you again.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

There are very few jobs in my local area full stop let alone those that would employ a disabled person so if welfare stops for say fifty people in my area how the hell are they suddenly supposed to manage for themselves then Marty jobs don't just appear. It really isn't as simple as you make it out and quite often when you talk on the subject you don't need to state you don't know much about the reality of the system because your posts scream it. Reading what is on websites and hearing what some two faced government lapdog has to say are totally different to living within this system.

Being honest i am going to stay out of these types of threads from now on i can see exactly where the wind is blowing and although i have always said i wouldn't wish my illness on my worst enemy these days there are quite a few i would be happy to see in my boat and the same boat as many other medically disabled so they would start to understand and realise how pathetic and petty these reforms are.

your valued insightful poster dont let them drive you out posting in issues which effect you.

Sadly we have breed a society which has many who are cold uncaring people. I dont wish any illness on anybody even evil people maybe its just my nature to forgive. Do agree these people who got cold heartless atitude may thing reflect there views as someday it might be them who need help.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

There are very few jobs in my local area full stop let alone those that would employ a disabled person so if welfare stops for say fifty people in my area how the hell are they suddenly supposed to manage for themselves then Marty .

With respect Rizzy but there are very few jobs for anybody ,that is not new news .No body is suggesting ,not even the government,that just because some disabled people get taken of a disability benefit they will get a job ,they are just saying that in reality they are capable of doing a job.They will continue to get help ,just not as much as they are used to

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

To me qualification for IB/ESA or whatever it be called in future probably UC as that law is signed off now is not about if someone can do work from home or whatever but more about if they employable and capable of getting a job via normal means. That is very different to someone starting a business from home.

The new way of identifying if someone is capable of work is flawed and I wont stand by it ever, its purpose is simply to save money.

Everyone reading this thread will have read enough now to make their own judgements, but you come across martyh as someone who advocates "survival of the fittest" and a general advocate of slave labour practices. My guess is I come out on top with respect points. Bye for now, unsubbing from the thread again as taking too much time up responding just to you again.

aw bless ,i think what you mean is that when someone posts something that doesn't fit your world view you have a temper tantrum

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

No body is suggesting ,not even the government,that just because some disabled people get taken of a disability benefit they will get a job ,they are just saying that in reality they are capable of doing a job.They will continue to get help ,just not as much as they are used to

And along with that comes the attitude that they are on their own. it's already getting to the stage where the 'normal' public look down on these kind of people because they assume there's nothing wrong with them now because the government and the media imply the same.

the whole objective is purely to save money. they will find any way they can to reduce what these people get both in finance and support.
and we'll get Dave's big slaphead on tele showing his anger and hate towards these people being covered up with dramatic (Tony Bliar rip off) hand gestures.

society is going to change dramatically towards these kind of people now. and society is going to be paying a bigger price for it.