Brexit discussion

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The EU is spiteful, in terms of their decision against the UK, there, I just said it again, want it a third time?

The EU is spiteful!!!

And for the record, New Zealand is not a European Country, last time I looked, how can it even begin to win 'European City of Culture', when it's on the other side of the World, so no it is not being spiteful, bit of a poor analogy there Andrew.

Lol, missing the point again mate. The UK agreed the rules by which the "European City of Culture" should be awarded. And for the record, being a European country is not the qualifying definition.
You seem to be saying that the UK is being spiteful against itself as it agreed to the rules.

[Mr K]

Yes the EU can keep their 'culture'. They may have Paris, Venice, Barcelona etc., but we've got Peckham, Moss Side and Bradford, so we win that one !

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes the EU can keep their 'culture'. They may have Paris, Venice, Barcelona etc., but we've got Peckham, Moss Side and Bradford, so we win that one !

Don't forget us down in deepest Devon me hearty...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

Don't forget us down in deepest Devon me hearty...

Do you have electricity and running water now Den ?

Depressingly its areas like the SW & NE that have benefitted most from EU funding, any cash from EU exit will be going to the swivel eyed loons in the SE.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Do you have electricity and running water now Den ?

Its not all dark ages down here old boy.

Originally Posted by denphone

Don't forget us down in deepest Devon me hearty...

I like Ilfracombe, near there ?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You seem to be saying that the UK is being spiteful against itself as it agreed to the rules.

I do not seem to be saying that at all.

What on Earth have you been smoking today ?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Depressingly its areas like the SW & NE that have benefitted most from EU funding, any cash from EU exit will be going to the swivel eyed loons in the SE.

Cornwall certainly has but Devon has not been so fortunate Mr K.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I like Ilfracombe, near there ?

Lovely place that is for sure but we are about 70 miles away from there.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

Cornwall certainly has but Devon has not been so fortunate Mr K

Looks like you've had / getting £116 million from the EU atm. Guess these things will only be missed when they are gone and it's too late.
https://new.devon.gov.uk/economy/fun...-research/euro

And before some bright spark suggests we'll be getting something back from the EU, that's all going to the poxy NHS as we know...... ( ignoring the fact we'll be giving them at least £40 billion).

Still at least we'll get our country back !?

Originally Posted by Mr K

Looks like you've had / getting £116 million from the EU atm. Guess these things will only be missed when they are gone and it's too late.
https://new.devon.gov.uk/economy/fun...-research/euro

And before some bright spark suggests we'll be getting something back from the EU, that's all going to the poxy NHS as we know...... ( ignoring the fact we'll be giving them at least £40 billion).

Still at least we'll get our country back !?

No-one has confirmed £40 Billion, May said today they will honour agreed payments and commitments, and she said her stance is the same as what she said in her Florence speech. Though has been said many times over, legally, we owe nothing.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I do not seem to be saying that at all.
What on Earth have you been smoking today ?

Lol, are you ok Mick? I think you may have misheard your GP. He said fat-free diet not fact-free diet.

[Mr K]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42121442

Australia has criticised the UK's post-Brexit trade plans to split quotas of food imports from around the world.
EU rules allow for a certain amount of goods to be brought in from countries outside of the Union without charging full tariffs.
After Brexit, the UK and EU want to split these quotas, based on where the goods are mostly consumed.
But Australian trade minister Steven Ciobo said it would impose unacceptable restrictions on their exports.
He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The point is that you have a choice about where you place your quota at the moment.
"Therefore, given that you could put it in the UK or you could put it into continental Europe, why would we accept a proposition that would see a decline in the quota available because of the Brexit decision?"

Bleeding Aussies, first they try knock our poor little cricket captain's head off, now they are being awkward about Brexit !

Seems we're not the centre of the universe, that everyone depends on after all.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

With a bit of luck, we won't be participating in Eurovision any more either! This Brexit thing just keeps on giving!

Unless the EU demands we stay in just to punish us for leaving,

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Originally Posted by Mick

No-one has confirmed £40 Billion, May said today they will honour agreed payments and commitments, and she said her stance is the same as what she said in her Florence speech. Though has been said many times over, legally, we owe nothing.

Well it'll be less than Corbyn's cronies would wind up paying because they've told the EU they'd pay anything to avoid a no deal so the EU can ask what they like and Labour will hand it over. Typical Labour nonsense.

Another Negative Myth Debunked:

Total Number of EU Nationals working in NHS in June 2016. (Month of EU Ref) = 42,123
Total Number of EU Nationals working in NHS in June 2017. (One year later) = 43,509

If my maths is correct that is an INCREASE of 1,386.

Again I ask those who were scare mongering where is this exodus you were speaking of from the NHS of EU Nationals leaving in droves ?

Source. NHS Digital and Spectator. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/...bers-going-up/

Originally Posted by Mick

Another Negative Myth Debunked:

Total Number of EU Nationals working in NHS in June 2016. (Month of EU Ref) = 42,123
Total Number of EU Nationals working in NHS in June 2017. (One year later) = 43,509

If my maths is correct that is an INCREASE of 1,386.

Again I ask those who were scare mongering where is this exodus you were speaking of from the NHS of EU Nationals leaving in droves ?

Source. NHS Digital and Spectator. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/...bers-going-up/

Strange - doesn't seem to match up with the actual NHS staff figures (and there is no link in the Spectator article to click through to).

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...Z91Pp9hPn8L-j0

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The percentage of EU staff has changed little since the EU referendum. However, EU staff as a percentage of all NHS joiners fell in 2016/17.

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The table below shows the change in the percentage of staff with EU nationality over time. The percentage has changed little since the 2016 EU referendum. In June 2017, 5.6% of staff held EU nationality (of staff with a known nationality), compared with 5.5% in June 2016. However in June 2017 the percentage of doctors and nurses with EU nationality fell slightly. The percentage of clinical support staff with EU nationality, however, reached a new high in June 2017.

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In 2016/17, the percentage of joiners with EU/EEA nationality fell, while the percentage of leavers with EU/EEA nationality rose.




This change was particularly pronounced for the Nurses and Health Visitors staff category, as the charts below show. In 2015/16, 19% of nurse joiners were of EU nationality, while in 2016/17 this fell to 12.4%. Meanwhile the percentage of nurse leavers with an EU nationality rose from 8.9% to 11.3%

This information is from the House of Commons Briefing Paper Number 7783, 16 October 2017, and it's data source is

The data analysed here is taken from supplementary information data releases by NHS Digital

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strange - doesn't seem to match up with the actual NHS staff figures (and there is no link in the Spectator article to click through to).

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...Z91Pp9hPn8L-j0

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This information is from the House of Commons Briefing Paper Number 7783, 16 October 2017, and it's data source is

You need to scroll on the Spectator link!

It is not strange at all, add up the numbers on the Spectator table that is what the total is. EU Nationals NHS workers tally since the vote is up!

Has the NHS in England really been losing EU nationals from its staff since Britain voted to leave the European Union?

in post 30 June 2016 / in post 30 June 2017

• Doctors 9,695 / 10,136 Net change: +441
• Registrars 3,190 / 3,215 Net change: +25
• Trainee doctors (foundation years 1 and 2) 779 / 950 Net change: +171
• Nurses and health visitors 20,907 / 20,618 Net loss: -289
• Midwives 1,220 / 1,247 Net change: +27
• Ambulance staff 250 / 386 Net change: +136
• Scientific/therapeutic/technical 6,112 / 6,957 Net change: +845