Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

History has been made!!!.... Andrew and myself agree on something

Ha ha!

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by passingbat

History has been made!!!.... Andrew and myself agree on something

It's a conspiracy, a (passing)BAT supporter (Brexit And Trump) and a RAT (Remoaning Anti-Trump) are luvving it up. I smell a rat .

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I'm all for a clean break. If there's any vestige of our membership left in tact treasonous remoaners will work behind the scenes to showly sneak us back in. It's the same "mission creep" that suckered us into the EU in the first place.

Originally Posted by martyh

Jeez, try to be a bit more OTT why don't you

By "treasonous remoaners" I take it you mean people with differing views to yours. Whilst I voted to leave I refuse treat those who voted differently with your level of undemocratic hostility, it's pathetic and achieves nothing

By treasonous, I take that as those you stubbornly refuse to believe we are going to leave the EU, and try to delay what was demanded by the Leavers.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Kursk

It's a conspiracy, a (passing)BAT supporter (Brexit And Trump) and a RAT (Remoaning Anti-Trump) are luvving it up. I smell a rat .

Oh dear! The secrets out!


The Brexit leaders were for giving pre-referendum EU citizens in the UK the right to stay. I agree; it is the morally right thing to do.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Oh dear! The secrets out!

The Brexit leaders were for giving pre-referendum EU citizens in the UK the right to stay. I agree; it is the morally right thing to do.

Understood. I feel our primary moral obligation is to UK citizens living abroad and when EU leaders turned down our proposal to resolve the issue up front of negotiations, they made their citizens hostage to fortune.

It isn't nice but this isn't a game of cricket. We can't keep on trying to instil our sense of fair play in people who want to play by different rules.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

By treasonous, I take that as those you stubbornly refuse to believe we are going to leave the EU, and try to delay what was demanded by the Leavers.

Quite. The likes of Mandelscum, the Kinnockios, Bliar, John (I'm a failure) Major. Ken Clarke. All those who have sold their souls to Brussels and are collecting the cheques.

Selling out your country to foreign powers. Giving foreign powers the right to enforce their laws, tax our people but spend the money elsewhere, their idea of justice etc. All this is treachery of the worst kind. IMHO.

[tweetiepooh]

Wonder how many of their lordships are also thinking of their retirement in the sun?

It's a tricky issue. There are lots of expats living in EU countries and other UK citizens planning to. But, from evidence in Cyprus, many just want to make a little England in the sun, don't want to integrate, learn the language, they demand discounts because they are expats. (I also know there are those who are the opposite to this so it's not everyone.)

Common sense says that we want free movement and rights for "good" people who will benefit the host nation but not the "bad" people who want to "exploit" (quotes as this could mean different things). We all know what we mean but this has to then be framed legally and it's then we get issues so some "good" people are "denied" while "bad" get away with it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Understood. I feel our primary moral obligation is to UK citizens living abroad and when EU leaders turned down our proposal to resolve the issue up front of negotiations, they made their citizens hostage to fortune.

It isn't nice but this isn't a game of cricket. We can't keep on trying to instil our sense of fair play in people who want to play by different rules.

I think you're a tad pessimistic on this point. Let's take the moral high ground. It will create buckets of goodwill for the UK and give the EU 27 a feeling that they "owe" us something and that we are genuine about a mutually beneficial solution. It will also save key parts of the country suffering if doctors, surgeons and other key EU-born nationals leave through uncertainty.

[Mr K]

A German float, sums it's up as how we're seen in the rest of the EU.

I was 'on the continent' last week, very welcoming they were too. We're just seen as sad eccentric nutters to be pitied.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think you're a tad pessimistic on this point. Let's take the moral high ground. It will create buckets of goodwill for the UK and give the EU 27 a feeling that they "owe" us something and that we are genuine about a mutually beneficial solution. It will also save key parts of the country suffering if doctors, surgeons and other key EU-born nationals leave through uncertainty.

Substitute 'realistic' for 'pessimistic'. The Prime Minister has given assurance as far as is possible that EU citizens who qualify to stay will be welcome to do so. That is a bucketload of goodwill given that the EU, for its part, is being rather more tight-lipped about the issue.

The UK is being very upfront about its intentions and the 'blame' for this stumbling block ought to be seen for what it is - Europe keeping all its cards close to its chest.

Anyone leaving this Country because of 'uncertainty' when the Government here has made it clear that they are welcome to stay, subject to an agreement with their 'home' Government, would be prematurely turning their back on everything they came here for in the first place. You underestimate the resilience and intelligence of these people.

And the Lords, on this occasion, are unelected, daft old buggers interfering with the will of the British people.

Originally Posted by Mr K

A German float, sums it's up as how we're seen in the rest of the EU.

I was 'on the continent' last week, very welcoming they were too. We're just seen as sad eccentric nutters to be pitied.

Bah, Germans. Bad losers. Was there a float with Mrs Merkel and an AK47 in her mouth?

[heero_yuy]

No, will this do though?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

No, will this do though?

Ha ha, Ja!

Originally Posted by Mr K

A German float, sums it's up as how we're seen in the rest of the EU. .

Awww diddums, actually, no, still don't care.

[1andrew1]

Interesting facts about what WTO rules would actually mean in reality and why they won't work for us

CBI “
“The UK would face tariffs on 90% of its EU exports by value and a raft of new regulatory hurdles. Let’s remember these barriers would hurt firms on both sides of the Channel.
“Here in the UK and across the continent firms are worried about this ‘worst-case scenario’. Some are getting ready for it to reduce economic damage. Some won’t prepare because they’re hoping for a deal. But in reality many firms can’t prepare because the cost of change is simply too high to even consider it.
“The Prime Minister is confident that a deal can be achieved - and we agree.
“But to those whose first and only choice is for Britain to walk away without a deal, I say you’re not only wrong but irresponsible.”
On practical hurdles to trade under WTO rules, he will say:
“Imagine you're a small cosmetics firm in Stockport and shops in France sell your products. No deal? Without an EU office it’s illegal for those French shops to sell your products. A loss for you and for them.
“Or imagine you're a chemicals company in Leeds and you have systems that track your ingredients from Poland. No deal? You'll face delays and higher costs getting supplies. Hurting your Polish customers too.”

http://www.cbi.org.uk/news/wto-rules...pandora-s-box/

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting facts about what WTO rules would actually mean in reality and why they won't work for us

http://www.cbi.org.uk/news/wto-rules...pandora-s-box/

The interesting fact is the EU is not working for us.