The iPhone thread

[handyman]

Originally Posted by kronas

*waits for thread on the second generation iphone next year

2nd Generation will either be higher capacity and more expensive or it will be the iphone nano (the one I've got my money one) which I don't want.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Hopefully the 2nd generation iPhone will actually have 3.5G, MMS, decent camera, multi-recipient SMS, video recording, etc...

[handyman]

Originally Posted by Matt D

Hopefully the 2nd generation iPhone will actually have 3.5G, MMS, decent camera, multi-recipient SMS, video recording, etc...

As the iphone runs os x it should only be a software update to add in mms and video recording and multi-recipient SMS.

3.5g well its got wi-fi which is much faster. The camera is never going to be as good as a proper camera anyway.

argh I'm turning into an apple fanboy....

EDGE is not too slow tbh. (i gave in and got a iPhone) I got some questions btw:

1) How do you get Visual Voicemail Working mine isnt

2) Where do we find out the cost of using the iPhone in France for calls and Data?

[handyman]

Originally Posted by Damien

EDGE is not too slow tbh. (i gave in and got a iPhone) I got some questions btw:

1) How do you get Visual Voicemail Working mine isnt

2) Where do we find out the cost of using the iPhone in France for calls and Data?

Erm I'm not sure on visual voice mail as it just sort of happened for me. It's really god as it stores your vm offline on the phone :-)

Costs of roaming will be the same as your normal o2 contracts so should be on the o2 website somewhere. As for data roaming there is a function on the iphone settings to turn this off so you don't rack up mega bills.

How are you finding it so far?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by handyman

3.5g well its got wi-fi which is much faster. The camera is never going to be as good as a proper camera anyway.

It should, at least, be as good as cameras in other phones though. As for having wifi. This is good, as long as you are within range (theoretically 100 metres, but usually a lot less) of a compatible Wifi network. I get 3.5G coverage on my MDA Vario II over most of London.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by handyman

As the iphone runs os x it should only be a software update to add in mms and video recording and multi-recipient SMS.

Ah, hopefully they will do that then.

Originally Posted by handyman

3.5g well its got wi-fi which is much faster. The camera is never going to be as good as a proper camera anyway.

However WiFi is only any use if you're at a WiFi hotspot.

No WiFi... you're stuck with EDGE. And if you're really unlucky, you don't even get EDGE, & have to put up with the even more painfully slow speeds of GPRS.

Camera...no, never as good as a standalone digicam. But could still be far better than 2MP.

Originally Posted by handyman

argh I'm turning into an apple fanboy....

Once you start down the Apple path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you it will!

[punky]

Originally Posted by handyman

As for data roaming there is a function on the iphone settings to turn this off so you don't rack up mega bills.

People really should pay attention to that.

Also, be prepared for postie going on strike next month at having to lug 300 x A4-sized page bills about.

Originally Posted by handyman

Erm I'm not sure on visual voice mail as it just sort of happened for me. It's really god as it stores your vm offline on the phone :-)

Costs of roaming will be the same as your normal o2 contracts so should be on the o2 website somewhere. As for data roaming there is a function on the iphone settings to turn this off so you don't rack up mega bills.

How are you finding it so far?

Loving it

Just worried about the contract stuff. I moved from another O2 contract and I am worried that there might be a mistake which could involve me getting billed for the old contact and the new one. Also, I had O2 Europe thing which got me cheaper calls and am not sure if that works anymore.

So nice though, EDGE is speedier than I though it would be and I am loving the browser, mail client and iPod.

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Originally Posted by Gavin

People really should pay attention to that.

Also, be prepared for postie going on strike next month at having to lug 300 x A4-sized page bills about.

I think it's online only in UK for billing.

The data thing worried me so I double checked before I got it in a Apple Store to ensure it's possible to switch it off.

It's under Settings > General > Network. Then side Data Roaming to 'off'

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Matt D

However WiFi is only any use if you're at a WiFi hotspot.

And if the providor of said hotspot has enough bandwidth and/or the hotspot doesn't have a lot of other users.

This isn't always the case, as a lot of businesses who provide hotspots go for the slowest broadband connection they can get away with. Combine that with the presence of other WiFi users, and you get a slow connection.

Not to mention the fact that if the WiFi hotspot isn't provided by The Cloud (who, IIRC, have tied in with O2 to provide network access), then you could end up paying a lot of money for something 3g customers get as part of their tariff.

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Originally Posted by Damien

The data thing worried me so I double checked before I got it in a Apple Store to ensure it's possible to switch it off.

It's under Settings > General > Network. Then side Data Roaming to 'off'

That's another thing that concerns me. A large percentage of the people the the Iphone will appeal to won't have the technical knowledge to find out something like that, so they could end up running up huge bills while doing nothing, because they didn't know the phone was accessing the network regularly.

It should be OFF by default.

That's another thing that concerns me. A large percentage of the people the the Iphone will appeal to won't have the technical knowledge to find out something like that, so they could end up running up huge bills while doing nothing, because they didn't know the phone was accessing the network regularly.

It should be OFF by default.

Not sure how much they would run up. The most it will do, if they do nothing, is check their e-mail. It wont download attachments unless you select the,

[Tezcatlipoca]

Yes, but roaming charges for data are always horrendous.

Even just a small amount of data from downloading email headers.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not sure how much they would run up. The most it will do, if they do nothing, is check their e-mail. It wont download attachments unless you select the,

It's still running up bills, while the user is doing nothing. If the user switches on the option (as other phones require), that's fair enough, they've made the choice, they should pay.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not sure how much they would run up. The most it will do, if they do nothing, is check their e-mail. It wont download attachments unless you select the,

Nope. It runs up a data bill even if no data services are used, like people using it as an iPod.

[Stuart]

I said before, and I'll say again. While I am happy to pay (and have, in the past), the kind of prices charged for the Iphone itself and the contract, if the phone is advanced enough to justify it, I don't consider the Iphone to be advanced enough.

Take away the software (which other manufacturers are already starting to emulate in more advanced phones), then the only advantages the Iphone has over the N95 are the multi touch screen and the battery life (although the figures I saw were manufacturer figures, so I'm taking them with a pinch of salt).

The web browsing is nice, but having used Safari on an ipod touch, I am not convinced it is a useful way to browse the web (in the zoomed out view, the text is too small, so unless you are looking for a particular area on a page, it is pointless), and, as with the other software features, if people like it, other manufacturers will find a way to do it (I believe Opera Mini already does).

The photo viewing is nice, but I don't tend to store my photos on my phone unless I took them with the phone.

The Multi Touch screen is nice, but I am not convinced it is useful in a device as small as a phone. On a laptop, it might be good.

The N95 has the advantage of GPS, a screen that is nearly as good as the Iphone's, expandable memory, a proper keypad (having had to use a touch screen keypad on my Vario, despite what Jobs says, I *did* miss having actual buttons to press, the touch screen doesn't give the same tactile feedback) and easily replacable sim and battery. So, if battery life is a problem, you could carry a second around. You also get 3.5G to go with your WiFi connection.

Apple/O2 are charging top dollar for some nice looking previous generation hardware running some nifty software and a touch screen. If they bought the prices down to a level competitive with the likes of Nokia and Samsung, then I'd be interested in the Iphone.