18-10-2004, 09:14
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Re: Chipped boxes
NTL apparently. But may be selling them on soon.
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18-10-2004, 09:48
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by Zeph
NTL apparently. But may be selling them on soon.
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I think you are referring to Television transmitters. AFAIK, the mobile phone operators actually use their own mobile antennas, and if Ofcom is to be believed, they do.
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18-10-2004, 12:33
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by scastle
I think you are referring to Television transmitters. AFAIK, the mobile phone operators actually use their own mobile antennas, and if Ofcom is to be believed, they do.
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OK, I did a seach on a local mast site that I know NTL owns. But the sitefinder only listed the operators using the site, MM02, T-Mobile and Hutchison and not the owner.
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18-10-2004, 12:50
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by bob_builder
OK, I did a seach on a local mast site that I know NTL owns. But the sitefinder only listed the operators using the site, MM02, T-Mobile and Hutchison and not the owner.
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OK, I stand corrected on that. However, the story does only say they are considering selling TV towers. I would be surprised if NTL started to sell Mobile phone masts though, there would seem to be quite some profit in running the sites..
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18-10-2004, 12:55
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by Mark B
Yes they are aware it goes on and have a dedicated team who have had considerable success in smashing the operations that market these.
They don't discuss their work publicly for obvious reasons, which is why people sometimes thing nothing is happening.
Like any crime, you can never totally eradicate it. But there's several people who've eaten bread and water for doing this.
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They did loose a high proportion of fraud ivestigators in the regions through cost cutting redundancies though, so perhaps they are not as efficient at catching people these days.
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18-10-2004, 13:28
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Re: Chipped boxes
Isn't it the sellers that have the new diet for this & not the end users?
I thought they got a tap on the wrist & offered an upgrade to a full package for 12 months that they actually pay for.
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18-10-2004, 14:04
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by jimbo
The SIM may not be registered if it's PAYG, but remember who owns most of the mobile transmitters in the UK...
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Your point is?? How would NTL find out who had the mobile from just owning the transmitters?
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18-10-2004, 14:11
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by dellwear
Your point is?? How would NTL find out who had the mobile from just owning the transmitters?
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They wouldn't would they, theres very little technology involved in finding illegal boxes other than pinging them while an engineer works his way back through the network from the headend to the customers drop looking for the set-top transmitting.
Without a tip off, its like finding a needle in a haystack.
Their technology can only narrow it down to the last few hundred houses connected to the network at best, it cant even be narrowed down to paying customers because many disconnected ones still have drops connected in some areas.
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18-10-2004, 14:18
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Your point is?? How would NTL find out who had the mobile from just owning the transmitters?
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At best, I would have thought NTL would only be able to track the IMEI number or phone number. Neither of which would be tracable back to the user if the user hasn't registered.
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18-10-2004, 14:18
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Re: Chipped boxes
AFAIKR those that sell them tell thier customers thatthey should also keep up a basic suscription to guarantee a connection.
Connecting one without a sub is a big gamble as an installer is likely to remove you & reuse the link.
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18-10-2004, 14:19
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by scastle
At best, I would have thought NTL would only be able to track the IMEI number or phone number. Neither of which would be tracable back to the user if the user hasn't registered.
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Of course, all they really need to do is phone the guy and set up a 'sting' ... no high-tech tracing required.
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18-10-2004, 14:22
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by scastle
At best, I would have thought NTL would only be able to track the IMEI number or phone number. Neither of which would be tracable back to the user if the user hasn't registered.
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Just to make it clear, I was referring to the mobile phone of the seller being registered with the relevant network. Having said that, Chris T is right. They just need to employ someone to "buy" the chipped boxes.
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18-10-2004, 14:24
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by Chris T
Of course, all they really need to do is phone the guy and set up a 'sting' ... no high-tech tracing required.
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Or alternatively disconnect all non-subscribing houses from the cabs.
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18-10-2004, 14:30
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by dellwear
Or alternatively disconnect all non-subscribing houses from the cabs.
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That would work a treat, but somehow I think NTL would claim they don't have the manpower to do it.
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18-10-2004, 15:35
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Re: Chipped boxes
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Originally Posted by Chris T
That would work a treat, but somehow I think NTL would claim they don't have the manpower to do it.
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Surely they could make it a company policy that when a customer is disconnected they are removed from the cab. A clean up exercise could also be planned. With Ntls turn over they could eradicate the fraud in about a year!
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