Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[heero_yuy]

Remainers made it abundantly clear what voting leave meant: £30bn emergency budget, city collapse, the four horsemen of the apocalypse, WWIII, death of your first-born, debut of the anti-Christ, the end of the world as we know it, blah, blah, blah.

No mention of the benefits of being in the EU, just dire, false predictions of what might happen if we left. Continued regurgitation of falsehoods by frustrated remainers does not make them facts.

Don't forget, we STILL voted to leave.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Remainers made it abundantly clear what voting leave meant: £30bn emergency budget, city collapse, the four horsemen of the apocalypse, WWIII, death of your first-born, debut of the anti-Christ, the end of the world as we know it, blah, blah, blah.

No mention of the benefits of being in the EU, just dire, false predictions of what might happen if we left. Continued regurgitation of falsehoods by frustrated remainers does not make them facts.

Don't forget, we STILL voted to leave.

... but of course the Europhiles* only ever accept the referenda which go their way because they know best...

* those who see the EU as the only way forward as opposed to those who're perfectly happy being part of Europe but don't want to be part of a single European state run from Brussels.

[Mr K]

Why are Brexiters still desperately unhappy and complaining all the time ?? Things are are going how they planned aren't they ???

Or maybe they are realising how things might pan out and can't face the truth...

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why are Brexiters still desperately unhappy and complaining all the time ?? Things are are going how they planned aren't they ???

Or maybe they are realising how things might pan out and can't face the truth...

Only people complaining and moaning is the likes of you and your few remainer buddies.

Typical of you misrepresenting what us Brexiteers think, maybe we are sick of seeing the same crap from the usual whiners...

As for brexit. Bring it on. Then we can leave the corrupt and unbalanced economic disaster group for good. #StillNoRegrets

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why are Brexiters still desperately unhappy and complaining all the time ?? Things are are going how they planned aren't they ???

We are unhappy at remoaners complaining and are complaining at remoners complaining.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

We are unhappy at remoaners complaining and are complaining at remoners complaining.

Remoaners just keep complaining Ad Nauseam.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why are Brexiters still desperately unhappy and complaining all the time ?? Things are going how they planned aren't they ???

Or maybe they are realising how things might pan out and can't face the truth...

Agreed. Leavers like to complain, if it's not about the EU it's about people who express alternative views to them.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. Leavers like to complain, if it's not about the EU it's about people who express alternative views to them.

No Andrew, we complain about you and your ilk who continuously post negative reports and surveys from pro EU sources.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

No Andrew, we complain about you and your ilk who continuously post negative reports and surveys from pro EU sources.

Every source is pro-EU according to leavers.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by pip08456

No Andrew, we complain about you and your ilk who continuously post negative reports and surveys from pro EU sources.

I was listening to a financial expert explain exactly WHY the predictions are so negative. He didn't say whether he was pro eu or anti, but I would argue that whether he is pro or anti is almost irrelevant as I suspect he was telling the truth.
Do you know why the predictions are so negative? Simple. The government is releasing almost nothing about their plans (apart from the odd soundbite and repeating the frankly meaningless phrase "Brexit Means Brexit"). As such, in the absence of any actual hard info, the experts have to go for a worst-case scenario, to ensure their clients are ready. In short "Expect the worst, hope for the best".

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I was listening to a financial expert explain exactly WHY the predictions are so negative. He didn't say whether he was pro eu or anti, but I would argue that whether he is pro or anti is almost irrelevant as I suspect he was telling the truth.
Do you know why the predictions are so negative? Simple. The government is releasing almost nothing about their plans (apart from the odd soundbite and repeating the frankly meaningless phrase "Brexit Means Brexit"). As such, in the absence of any actual hard info, the experts have to go for a worst-case scenario, to ensure their clients are ready. In short "Expect the worst, hope for the best".

Plan for the worst, hope things won't be as bad is the approach many businesses are taking.
Interesting to see some busineses are trying to help salvage matters, knowing that the Government's approach (as Stuart has noted) is less than optimum.

A City of London delegation will head to Brussels this week with a secret blueprint for a post-Brexit free-trade deal on financial services, as concern mounts about the damage facing employers if they are forced to move operations to the continent.
The initiative, led by Mark Hoban, the former City minister, is independent of government but has the unofficial support of senior figures in Whitehall, according to three people close to the project.

https://www.ft.com/content/558b82dc-...7-502f7ee26895

Originally Posted by Stuart

I was listening to a financial expert explain exactly WHY the predictions are so negative. He didn't say whether he was pro eu or anti, but I would argue that whether he is pro or anti is almost irrelevant as I suspect he was telling the truth.
Do you know why the predictions are so negative? Simple. The government is releasing almost nothing about their plans (apart from the odd soundbite and repeating the frankly meaningless phrase "Brexit Means Brexit"). As such, in the absence of any actual hard info, the experts have to go for a worst-case scenario, to ensure their clients are ready. In short "Expect the worst, hope for the best".

Predictions are Predictions. No one has the ability to predict the truth at all. But here is the truth, UK managed before the existence of EU and it can manage again.

I'm surprised these so called financial experts, have nothing to say about what they think of the EU blocks sustainability, with less countries paying in than those who get paid out, this to me is a financial catastrophe waiting to happen.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

We are unhappy at remoaners complaining and are complaining at remoners complaining.

No moaning from me my dear as lets move along now.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Remoaners just keep complaining Ad Nauseam.

Some not all..

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. Leavers like to complain, if it's not about the EU it's about people who express alternative views to them.

One should respect that everybody has differing views and opinions on this thread and others as that is free speech and democracy at work whether one likes it or not..

[heero_yuy]

A think-tank said Ireland should give 'serious consideration' to leaving the EU

The Republic could opt to remain with the UK in a customs and free-trade area, while negotiating as favourable as possible exit terms with the remaining 26 member states, Policy Exchange added.

<snip>

The document was drawn up by former Irish diplomat Ray Bassett.

Source

So the cracks start to appear.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I was listening to a financial expert explain exactly WHY the predictions are so negative. He didn't say whether he was pro eu or anti, but I would argue that whether he is pro or anti is almost irrelevant as I suspect he was telling the truth.
Do you know why the predictions are so negative? Simple. The government is releasing almost nothing about their plans (apart from the odd soundbite and repeating the frankly meaningless phrase "Brexit Means Brexit"). As such, in the absence of any actual hard info, the experts have to go for a worst-case scenario, to ensure their clients are ready. In short "Expect the worst, hope for the best".

Well I have to take issue witb the comment tbat the government is releasing 'almost nothing' about its plans. Does anyone seriously believe this?

The main things people need to know are that we will be leaving the Common Market (because unless we do so we will have to accept free movement of people and EU legislation) and we will be leaving the Customs Union (because unless we do, we will not be able to strike deals with the rest of the world, which is essential for the strategy to work).

There are lots of other issues too, such as the rights of EU/UK citizens who are living and working abroad, security co-operation, border controls, nuclear safeguards and so on, but these have already been addressed by the Government in the House of Commons.

I really cannot understand what it is that people are desperate to know. The government cannot give absolute fine detail on everything, because this is a negotiation, but everything will be very clear by the end of those negotiations.

To claim that there is next to no information is far from the truth, and I believe, deliberately misleading.