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Old 14-11-2017, 18:54   #766
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Re: Brexit discussion

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He is totally incorrect on the ‘dumbest’ thing. I don’t want our country part of a corrupt United States of Europe.
I know Mick, you'd rather we were a third rate state in Trump's wonderful USA !

Anyway, back to our wonderful elected representatives who seem to be having a slight disagreement about Brexit...
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Labour MPs applaud a tour de force speech by veteran Tory Ken Clarke savaging Theresa May's attempts to enshrine the Brexit date in law, while the SNP's Stephen Gethins says it's an "absolute privilege" to speak after him.
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I've always liked Ken Clarke, shame he's a Tory, wonder if he still wears those nice Hush Puppies ?
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Old 14-11-2017, 21:35   #767
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you been drinking or something, what bs
No it is not BS at all, they are facts.
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Old 14-11-2017, 23:01   #768
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Personally, I would be much more at ease with a federal Europe, where politicians rather than Eurocrats were in control . That would be democratic, whereas the EU is not.

Can you imagine the UK being governed by Civil Servants? Of course not!
Virtually any incarnation of the EU would be better than what we currently have - a major trading block being steered into chaos by the likes of Juncker who only have eyes for more of the same dogma which has got Europe where it is...

It's as sad as it is pathetic.
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Old 15-11-2017, 01:09   #769
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No it is not BS at all, they are facts.
Opinions, not facts. And opinions are always interesting.
A case study is interesting... but not representative.

Fat cat Brexiter John Redwood tells investors to withdraw their investments from the UK.
Not surprised, he's pulled the wool over people's eyes but I guess he has to be honest in his advice to investors.

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“[Redwood] is advising investors to move their money out of the UK, all the while pushing in parliament for a destructive hard Brexit that would see even more investment desert the country.”
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Old 15-11-2017, 02:59   #770
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No it is not BS at all, they are facts.
Perhaps it's me that's drunk, I ask a perfectly legitimate question about the right of the assumed unemployed to peaceful protest in response to someone demanding they be sanctioned and then whether the system is now so draconian toward the jobless that they must spend every moment at home job hunting, still don't see the bs
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Old 15-11-2017, 10:38   #771
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Perhaps it's me that's drunk, I ask a perfectly legitimate question about the right of the assumed unemployed to peaceful protest in response to someone demanding they be sanctioned and then whether the system is now so draconian toward the jobless that they must spend every moment at home job hunting, still don't see the bs
Just to avoid the clear misunderstanding that has occurred, here is the proper order of posts:

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I still see people protesting outside parliment to try and stop Brexit (despite the fact it's law and we are 100% leaving).

Question is if these are claiming JSA (or whatever its called now), should they be severly sanctioned.
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I wouldn't have thought he did, what would be the point of taking back control of our democracy if the first thing we do is ban people's right to protest against it, besides which even if they all were on jsa why should they be sanctioned, I never realised things were so strict now you had to be job hunting at home every second of every day
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Where did you read that BS ?

A former colleague of mine had to stop work, resigned and had to look after her daughter for some time.

When she was ready to start work again, was on JSA. She had fortnightly interviews at Job centre, they simply ask, what jobs you like and have applied for, you respond, by saying applied for, A, B, C, which she did, most of the jobs she applied for, never heard back from them, she told DWP in the interview she not heard back, they say fine, see you in a fortnight.

They do not check whether what your saying is true, they may say, after a while of constant job rejection, after x amount of applications to improve on a job skill, they did this to my former colleague, my colleague said no, the course was too far, she was not sanctioned for not doing it.

As far as JSA goes, as long as you seem to be actively looking for work, attend the fortnightly interviews with DWP, they leave you alone.

A lot play the system still. It used to be one of my job roles, doing recruitment for new staff and many applications, you invite the person to interview and they never show up to it and I just knew it was from a JSA applicant, many application forms just had a name and address on them, many were so blank and job history info missing, meaning they know they are going to be rejected at this hurdle, again these from JSA applicants who were just playing the system, to keep getting the money.
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Old 15-11-2017, 11:39   #772
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Re: Brexit discussion

And just to be clear, I don’t think anybody deserves to be sanctioned for carrying out a Democratic right to protest.
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Old 15-11-2017, 23:25   #773
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Re: Brexit discussion

Pesky European Commission doing its best to defend British jobs against the might of the US
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Brussels sides with UK in Bombardier tariff row
The European Commission has given the UK its backing in a bitter trade dispute with Washington, hitting out at US moves to levy punitive tariffs on aerospace group Bombardier, which employs thousands in Belfast.
Brussels has given the warning it will fight the case to US authorities, which are considering imposing duties of 300 per cent on Bombardier’s C Series jets that American rival Boeing insists receives improper government subsidies. The possible measures have caused uproar in the UK, where the Canadian aircraft maker has a plant that is critical to Northern Ireland’s economy.
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Old 16-11-2017, 08:04   #774
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Pesky European Commission doing its best to defend British jobs against the might of the US

https://www.ft.com/content/3f9b3daa-...8-7a9fb7d6163e
Think you must have that wrong Andrew ! The EU is evil & corrupt, as you well know...
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Re: Brexit discussion

I was wondering why Mr K was so quiet today.

Record numbers of EU workers in UK since Brexit

Number of EU workers in UK rises by 112,000 since Brexit vote

EU citizens: Record numbers working in UK - official figures

I thought they were supposed to be leaving in droves?
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Yes the Brexit vote and Trump's election were supposed to be resulting in a mass exodus from the UK and US weren't they.

Anyway, I'm sure those who hate the prospect of staying in the UK post Brexit will be busily arranging their affairs so they can migrate to the EU Utopia before it's too late. I'm just surprised they haven't already done it but I seem to recall one left to go to Austria because it was such a friendly place. At a time when we were trying to control migration, they were 'welcoming' refugees with flowers and chocolates. Their welcome didn't last long though did it...
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Post of the year surely?

As it wrecks havoc on the long standing narrative, that the EU workers are leaving and have left since vote.

So far this last week, business growth up in London and record numbers of EU migrants in work.

This is great news all round and should be so to Mr K, as he has been banging the ‘EU workers are leaving because of Brexit’ drum for some time.
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Post of the year surely?

As it wrecks havoc on the long standing narrative, that the EU workers are leaving and have left since vote.

So far this last week, business growth up in London and record numbers of EU migrants in work.

This is great news all round and should be so to Mr K, as he has been banging the ‘EU workers are leaving because of Brexit’ drum for some time.
To be accurate Mick I said NHS EU workers (those that we most need) were leaving, which is unfortunately the case.

http://www.nationalhealthexecutive.c...ctive-to-staff

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Post of the year surely?

As it wrecks havoc on the long standing narrative, that the EU workers are leaving and have left since vote.

So far this last week, business growth up in London and record numbers of EU migrants in work.

This is great news all round and should be so to Mr K, as he has been banging the ‘EU workers are leaving because of Brexit’ drum for some time.
Anyone would think some people want to scare the country into making the worst happen, then they can say they were right...

How many of the great and the good who predicted economic calamity and rampant extremism have left the UK and US for pastures new I wonder?
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Anyone would think some people want to scare the country into making the worst happen, then they can say they were right...
I think it's worse than that. There are those who appear to be actively working to make the worst come true to vindicate their misbeliefs, even if that means taking the country down with them.

In other jurisdictions they'd be in clink for undermining the state.
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