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Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan
View Poll Results: What is the best way to control access to pornography?
Porn should be blocked by default at the ISP level with an opt-in? 6 8.45%
People should have to opt-out of porn with their ISP? 7 9.86%
End users should control porn (software) if they wish, with no ISP involvement? 54 76.06%
Other 4 5.63%
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:18   #31
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Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan

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Joined this forum to add my two pen'orth after listening to this subject debated on Radio 2 last week. From what I gather, this move is designed to prevent children accessing porn, and allegedly resulting in children raping children http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...?newsfeed=true This seems to me to be a monumental buck pass by parents who had no control over their child. Considering the number of violent computer games available to children,and yes, I know they shouldn't be, but they are, very few of whom move on to become mass murderers, maybe net porn is getting blamed for something it's not responsible for. Maybe it's about time parents took responsibility for what their kids view online, software is available, and stop penalising the rest of the world. What really prompted this rant was the stupid mother who had bought her 10 year old son a mobile phone so she could contact him while he was out playing with his friends, and was scared he was looking at porn on it. She hadn't got the brains to get him a basic phone without net access, and was now expecting his ISP to block porn................. Get a grip, I am an adult, I view porn, but I accept that kids should not be able to view it, but it should be parental controls, not an opt in for the grown ups who can view it without becoming rapists. If you can't trust your child not to view porn on their bedroom computer, take the damn thing off them, don't expect the ISP to police it. I expect I will get some grief for this post, but I can live with that, if you have kids, then YOU are responsible for their actions, not your ISP, or anyone else.
The system for adding certificates is being bought into line with that for video.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18017385 .

So, from July, it will not be legal to sell a game with a certificate to someone under that age. About time.

Personally, I don't mind that the government is introducing an opt-in system for porn. As long as it doesn't go further. If I want to view it, I can opt in. Shouldn't take too long.

But, having said that, I also think that parents should take a lot more responsibility for their kids. I've seen too many parents that are happy to buy their kids whatever they want, just to shut them up. I worked for Blockbuster for years, and on many occasions, I had some kid who was obviously under age come and hand an 18 rated film (usually one which had that rating for good reason) to me. I, of course, refused to sell or rent it to him (it was usually boys), as the law required me to, only to have an adult come in and rent or buy the same film 5 minutes later. These films were not the type that went out regularly, so having two customers come and ask for the same film in ten minutes was extremely rare. I also frequently saw the adult hand the film to the kid outside the shop.
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Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan

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The system for adding certificates is being bought into line with that for video.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18017385 .

So, from July, it will not be legal to sell a game with a certificate to someone under that age. About time.

Personally, I don't mind that the government is introducing an opt-in system for porn. As long as it doesn't go further. If I want to view it, I can opt in. Shouldn't take too long.

But, having said that, I also think that parents should take a lot more responsibility for their kids. I've seen too many parents that are happy to buy their kids whatever they want, just to shut them up. I worked for Blockbuster for years, and on many occasions, I had some kid who was obviously under age come and hand an 18 rated film (usually one which had that rating for good reason) to me. I, of course, refused to sell or rent it to him (it was usually boys), as the law required me to, only to have an adult come in and rent or buy the same film 5 minutes later. These films were not the type that went out regularly, so having two customers come and ask for the same film in ten minutes was extremely rare. I also frequently saw the adult hand the film to the kid outside the shop.
Whilst I can understand your concern,the fact is that there is no law that exempts kids from watching 15 or 18 rated films at home.
I agree that parents should take a lot more responsibility,but I also think that our classification system is outdated.
I would actually prefer a voluntary system where the distributors classify their films themselves and it would be up to parents to keep an eye on what their kids are watching.

In regards to porn when you say you have no issue with the opt-in are you effectively saying the default position is for porn to be banned?
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Re: Pornography online: David Cameron to consider 'opt in' plan

Hi, Stuart and Will21st, you seem to be agreeing with my point about parents accepting more responsibility for what their kids view, and games they play, and for that I thank you. If you are a parent, and you don't want your child visiting dubious websites, or playing violent games, then do something about it. Take the trouble to learn about it, and take the appropriate action, don't expect the rest of us to do it for you. If you saw a stranger approaching your kids in a playground, you would intervene, and rightly so. So treat the internet as such, and take steps to protect your kids. The internet is like the rest of the world, it has some incredibly good bits, and some not so good bits. You would (I hope) not send a child to another country with no chaperone, so treat the web the same way, and they will come to no harm. Monitor your childs net activity, as you would their activities outside your home. Please don't make the 'safe' option the default for the rest of us because you can't be bothered putting in a bit of effort to safeguard your children.
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