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Old 06-02-2017, 23:08   #16
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he's an embarrassment to the nation .
Agreed. Because of his comments about Preseident Trump or because of his height?
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The PM is not the Speaker's boss.
He never said she was. Either way he has breached protocols on impartiality also some degree of hypocrisy too, oh and ignorance to US democracy.
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he seems to have chucked political neutrality out of the window -he's an embarrassment to the nation .
Would you really want Donald Trump addressing Parliament and being booed? Judging from the reception that Bercow received today from MPs, that would be a likely outcome. I doubt Donald Trump would be a happy chappy either.
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Would this be the same Bercow who:

https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/b...rights-record/

and happily welcomed the Chinese leader to address parliament not that long ago?

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Parliamentary colleagues and distinguished guests: welcome to the Royal Gallery. Mr President, Madame Peng Liyuan, it is my pleasure to introduce the leader of a nation that is both very ancient and truly modern to a Parliament that is both very ancient and truly modern. It is a reflection of our changing times that we have hosted no fewer than four prominent daughters and sons of Asia in our Parliament in the past three years, starting with Daw Aung San Suu Kyi of Burma, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, democracy champion and international symbol of the innate human right of freedom. Your visit here today, Mr President, reinforces the links between the United Kingdom and China. Those links are social and personal as well as economic and political and are all the stronger for that. This trip should provide the means for both sides to come to understand one another better. The Chinese people have many, many, friends in this Parliament. Blah, blah, blah...
https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...to-parliament/

How many MP's who're supposedly outraged by Trump's 'record' booed Jinping I wonder? Maybe they were scared of being branded racist or maybe they're just hypocrites...

Anyone for some bandwagon jumping?
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Would you really want Donald Trump addressing Parliament and being booed? Judging from the reception that Bercow received today from MPs, that would be a likely outcome. I doubt Donald Trump would be a happy chappy either.
So let me get this straight, he would be here on invitation by the Queen herself and they would have to respect that or they might as well GTFO of her Majesty's Parliament. Being booed by non-entities anyway such as the likes of undemocratic MPs specifically most in Labour Party and the tiny party, you know the ones, Liberal Democrats, who last week in commons vote to trigger A50, voted against their own constituents, bar 2 of them, he would probably associate them as the UK version of the swamp and probably would not be arsed if he doesn't get to speak in front of them.
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So let me get this straight, he would be here on invitation by the Queen herself and they would have to respect that or they might as well GTFO of her Majesty's Parliament. Being booed by non-entities anyway such as the likes of undemocratic MPs specifically most in Labour Party and the tiny party, you know the ones, Liberal Democrats, who last week in commons vote to trigger A50, voted against their own constituents, bar 2 of them, he would probably associate them as the UK version of the swamp and probably would not be arsed if he doesn't get to speak in front of them.
I'm sure if the Queen had anything to do with it, he wouldn't be invited. He's annoyed Prince Charles with his outdated denialist views on climate change and been sexist towards the Duchess of Cambridge. And that's before he's set foot in Buckingham Palace!
If you listened to the reception that Bercow's decision got, and Trump was your client, you would be grateful he was not invited to address Parliament. It would be potentially humiliating for Trump and it would not be constructive to US-UK relations. I'm sure far worse people have addressed the UK Parliament but for many reasons, the US president is judged far more critically. I guess that's an element of the special relationship that Theresa May was talking about.
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If you listened to the reception that Bercow's decision got,
I'd rather not listen to hypocrites and undemocratic MPs thanks.
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No-one said she is?
so who is then ?

he is the boss in deciding who speaks in the commons
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Speaker said he is 'strongly opposed' to the President speaking in Westminster
Bercow is one of three powerful 'key holders' to the historic Westminster Hall
As an invited guest on a state visit Trump might have expected to make a speech
Bercow allowed leaders of China, Kuwait and Qatar speak to MPs and peers


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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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So let me get this straight, he would be here on invitation by the Queen herself and they would have to respect that or they might as well GTFO of her Majesty's Parliament. Being booed by non-entities anyway such as the likes of undemocratic MPs specifically most in Labour Party and the tiny party, you know the ones, Liberal Democrats, who last week in commons vote to trigger A50, voted against their own constituents, bar 2 of them, he would probably associate them as the UK version of the swamp and probably would not be arsed if he doesn't get to speak in front of them.
I'd suggest the queen is a lot more undemocratic than any mp, perhaps it's time she GTFO
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I'd rather not listen to hypocrites and undemocratic MPs thanks.
I appreciate that the first-past-the-post system penalises smaller political parties like the Liberal Democrats, UKIP and the Green Party but it's a big leap of the imagination to classify MPs as undemocratic. Like the valued judiciary, they are a fundamental part of UK democracy.
Looking at the principles and not the people, if I was advising a PM to invite or not invite a foreign leader to speak to the House of Commons, I would consider the reception my valued guest would receive.
In Trump's case, a significant number of MPs perceive him to be sexist, racist and cosying up to the UK's enemies like Russia. They would potentially accord him a hostile welcome. I wouldn't want that to happen to someone I invited to address the Commons and it could likely backfire on me and the guest would not be impressed.

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Speaker said he is 'strongly opposed' to the President speaking in Westminster
Bercow is one of three powerful 'key holders' to the historic Westminster Hall
As an invited guest on a state visit Trump might have expected to make a speech
Bercow allowed leaders of China, Kuwait and Qatar speak to MPs and peers


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As explained previously:
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...I'm sure far worse people have addressed the UK Parliament but for many reasons, the US president is judged far more critically. I guess that's an element of the special relationship that Theresa May was talking about.


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I'd suggest the queen is a lot more undemocratic than any mp, perhaps it's time she GTFO
Ha ha 1-0!. In fairness, the Queen doesn't get a choice in the matter and I can't think it will be the easiest time for her. Prince Charles doesn't want a guest whom he has wrangled with over his flat earther views on climate change. Kate Middleton wouldn't feel comfortable in the company of a man old enough to be her grandfather who tweeted "Who wouldn't take Kate's picture and make lots of money if she does the nude sunbathing thing. Come on Kate!"
That being said, maybe they could all bond together over a pleasant pheasant shoot?
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

I think Bercow is a top bloke (for a tory), and an MP, so why shouldn't he have his say ? He must have to ruffle a few feathers on behalf of his constituents so isn't apolitical. He seems to be speaking for the majority of MPs.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The Trumpster doesn't want to speak to parliament, and he'd be speaking to a largely empty chamber. He just wants a posh dinner with Queenie in the palace, with b&b. It's cheaper than a 'cottages.com' booking.
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I'd suggest the queen is a lot more undemocratic than any mp, perhaps it's time she GTFO
Ultimately, we could end the monarchy if we wanted to. There isn't the appetite for it however, so why bother? It would be a constitutional nightmare to sort out and the current system isn't broken, regardless of the carping of a very small number of republicans. It's by no means a given that an elected civilian presidency would be cheaper to maintain either, if that's your concern.

And what would we replace it with? An executive president like the system that gave the world Donald Trump? Or a ceremonial one that gave Ireland that bloke that looks like the Dungeon Master?

Personally I am very happy with a system that allows us to have a head of state that isn't a divisive political figure, who has impact and respect around the world which, by its hereditary nature, can be extended through her children and grandchildren.
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Ultimately, we could end the monarchy if we wanted to. There isn't the appetite for it however, so why bother? It would be a constitutional nightmare to sort out and the current system isn't broken, regardless of the carping of a very small number of republicans. It's by no means a given that an elected civilian presidency would be cheaper to maintain either, if that's your concern.

And what would we replace it with? An executive president like the system that gave the world Donald Trump? Or a ceremonial one that gave Ireland that bloke that looks like the Dungeon Master?

Personally I am very happy with a system that allows us to have a head of state that isn't a divisive political figure, who has impact and respect around the world which, by its hereditary nature, can be extended through her children and grandchildren.
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As an invited guest on a state visit Trump might have expected to make a speech
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Therein lies the massive hypocrisy, 3 nations leaders with atrocious human rights records with women seen in those countries as 'lesser' species. Where were those Womens resistance protesting for women's rights in China, in Qatar and Kuwait ? Where was the petition to stop their State visits ?

The Speaker, Bercow has wholly acted inappropriate, he has used a platform to gain an audience and he has undermined the Government when he is meant to act neutral at all times, he is a hypocrite and undemocratic by dissing the democratically elected leader of our most important ally.
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