Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[techguyone]

Well even a broken clock is right twice a day, but so far, all the remainers doom just has not happened. At. All.

Sometimes a little faith and belief in your country is what needed, or you've lost before you've started.

I know it grates on some remainers that we've dared to do this. But you know what?

Feck em,
It's happened, it's happening now, get over it, dry your eyes and paddle with the rest of us, or abandon ship and move to Europe and let us get on with it minus your negativity.

[Osem]

Certainty? Life outside the EU is uncertain? Well yes it is but the world's an uncertain place. Just look over the pond! Where's the certainty in the EU? The only certainty is that they will continue to press for the creation of a single European state at all costs since it's their entire raison d'etre. It's inconceivable that a UK which had remained within the club could have prevented that or remained outside it. Little by little, by hook or by crook we'd have been drawn in just as we were - further entwined until there could be no leaving. Just look how complicated Brexit already is? Does anyone think that's an accident? No, it's a design feature intended to prevent nations deciding to quit and doing that is not going to be made easier. Brexit will be used as an excuse to further tighten the rules. Where's the certainty inside the EU for the likes of Greece or the Italian banking system? Just look at the social and financial cost of that experiment and the mass unemployment in so many S. European nations. Far far worse than here by the way. Just look at the migration chaos. Does anyone think that's all going to be forgotten and end painlessly? It's funny how some folks will harp on ad nauseam about every little event in the UK that they can possibly cite as a negative consequence of Brexit yet they never seem to have anything to say about what's going on in the EU they want to be grafted onto, including the rise of the right in places like Holland, Austria, France and Germany. These people like to compare Nigel Farage and even some Tories with Hitler yet tell us their response to Brexit will be to move to places like France where Marine Le Pen is in the ascendant. Then there's the massive problems the EU is facing with Turkey which currently holds the key to the migration door and is being run by a clone of Putin. Their wonderful EU has been kicking so many cans down the road it's lost count and the disagreements within the EU aren't going to disappear - just look at what's going on in Hungary.

Those seeking 'certainty' need to realise there is precious little to be had anywhere. I'd rather my country be master of its own destiny and able to act quickly in its own interests than reduced to a tentacle tip on a German run EU octopus. It's not going to be easy and there will be costs and problems as a direct result of what we're doing but IMHO the costs, problems and uncertainties associated with staying part of the dysfunctional club are far greater. It's in everyone's interests for the UK and EU to work towards a mutually beneficial outcome and the measure of the EU's madness will be to what extent it accepts that fact. If they can't accept a member state leaving their club and are so intransigent that they'd rather make a very costly point than come to a reasonable agreement, what sort of organisation are they and why would we wish to be part of it?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Well even a broken clock is right twice a day, but so far, all the remainers doom just has not happened. At. All.

Hmmm. The £ has dropped in value by 15%. Companies are moving operations to the EU, eg HSBC 1,000 staff to France. Inflation has risen. So some predictions are right. As I think Andrew Marr said in June, things won't be as bad as the remainers predicted nor as good as the Brexiters predicted.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hmmm. The £ has dropped in value by 15%. Companies are moving operations to the EU, eg HSBC 1,000 staff to France. Inflation has risen. So some predictions are right. As I think Andrew Marr said in June, things won't be as bad as the remainers predicted nor as good as the Brexiters predicted.

if you need any help moving i'll pay for a van

Brexit begins! Historic moment for the UK as Article 50 letter is delivered to the EU with Theresa May vowing to forge a 'bright new future' outside the Brussels club

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SERVED! Article 50 officially TRIGGERED as Sir Tim Barrow hands Donald Tusk Brexit letter

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-Brexit-letter

A list of things that have been triggered this afternoon:

Guardian readers
The Liberal "Democrats"
Nicola Sturgeon
The Daily Mash
Tony Blair

All in all a good day so far.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Chris

A list of things that have been triggered this afternoon:

Guardian readers
The Liberal "Democrats"
Nicola Sturgeon
The Daily Mash
Tony Blair

All in all a good day so far.

Nicola Sturgeon - LOL yeah she's had to pop up it's like a comedy act from spitting image.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hmmm. The £ has dropped in value by 15%. Companies are moving operations to the EU, eg HSBC 1,000 staff to France. Inflation has risen. So some predictions are right. As I think Andrew Marr said in June, things won't be as bad as the remainers predicted nor as good as the Brexiters predicted.

Well you and the rest of them if it's so bad here now that you think you can't live here anymore you know where the exit door is now I'm sure we can get a crowd funding going to help with the move.

In the mean time the rest of us can make a better future for generations to come and when the EU does finally collapse which it will you'll all go down with it.

Regardless of what is going to happen in my generation I voted for the future and the EU isn't part of that

[heero_yuy]

The only trigger that's needed for them:

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Well you and the rest of them if it's so bad here now that you think you can't live here anymore you know where the exit door is now I'm sure we can get a crowd funding going to help with the move.

In the mean time the rest of us can make a better future for generations to come and when the EU does finally collapse which it will you'll all go down with it.

Regardless of what is going to happen in my generation I voted for the future and the EU isn't part of that

techguyone advised that none of the Remainers' predictions had happened. I pointed out that some had and that reality would probably be somewhere between what Brexiters and Remainers predicted.
Sounds like you would prefer it if people didn't point such things out.

[Kursk]

Looking forward to the exit negotiations . The EU would do well to remember who its friends are - it has potentially aggressive neighbours to the east; invasive neighbours to the south and disinterested neighbours to the west.

Keep your friends close unless you want your enemies to come closer.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Looking forward to the exit negotiations . The EU would do well to remember who its friends are - it has potentially aggressive neighbours to the east; invasive neighbours to the south and disinterested neighbours to the west.

Keep your friends close unless you want your enemies to come closer.

Or a tax haven to the north.

[techguyone]

I liked it.

Good to know exactly when we're out and can start doing things purely for the UK just got to get the negotiations out of the way.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

techguyone advised that none of the Remainers' predictions had happened. I pointed out that some had and that reality would probably be somewhere between what Brexiters and Remainers predicted.
Sounds like you would prefer it if people didn't point such things out.

I think your are wasting your time here. If the predictions don't come true then they will say "told you so" and if they do, they will say "well, it is a price worth paying".

Of course, if there is a price then we all have to pay it, not just the 37% ..

[Ramrod]

I have champagne in the fridge for later

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think your are wasting your time here. If the predictions don't come true then they will say "told you so" and if they do, they will say "well, it is a price worth paying".

Of course, if there is a price then we all have to pay it, not just the 37% ..

Again you attempt to make the unsubstantiated claim that all those who didn't vote would have voted remain. I'll make the opposite claim that they all would have voted leave giving leave a thumping majority.