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Old 28-03-2017, 18:56   #721
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!

Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second referendum on independence for Scotland has been formally backed by the Scottish Parliament. MSPs voted by 69 to 59 in favour of seeking permission for a referendum before the UK leaves the EU.

As it wasn't carried by a clear two-thirds majority shouldn't this be treated as null and void?
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!

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Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second referendum on independence for Scotland has been formally backed by the Scottish Parliament. MSPs voted by 69 to 59 in favour of seeking permission for a referendum before the UK leaves the EU.

As it wasn't carried by a clear two-thirds majority shouldn't this be treated as null and void?
They can vote for what they want, Westminster has the final say.
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Old 28-03-2017, 19:25   #724
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!

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Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second referendum on independence for Scotland has been formally backed by the Scottish Parliament. MSPs voted by 69 to 59 in favour of seeking permission for a referendum before the UK leaves the EU.

As it wasn't carried by a clear two-thirds majority shouldn't this be treated as null and void?
No, I don't think supermajorities are used anywhere in U.K. governance. They're normally employed in countries with written constitutions, where amendments to the constitution have been proposed.
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No, I don't think supermajorities are used anywhere in U.K. governance. They're normally employed in countries with written constitutions, where amendments to the constitution have been proposed.
Would the 2/3rds majority required to call an early election not count? Assuming that in such a scenario they don't go for the no confidence option.
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No, I don't think supermajorities are used anywhere in U.K. governance. They're normally employed in countries with written constitutions, where amendments to the constitution have been proposed.
Agreed but it was the argument used by remoaners after the referendum when there was only a small absolute majority ~ it's funny how some find an argument valid when they don't like an outcome but not when it's the other way round.
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Would the 2/3rds majority required to call an early election not count? Assuming that in such a scenario they don't go for the no confidence option.
They can call an election to the Scottish parliament which may/may not give power to the SNP but it is down to Westminster to grant another referendum.

It would be better for the "fishwife" to call an election to see if they were returned with a majority which would tell Westminster that was the will of the electorate rather than the "fishwife" saying it is.

She's posturing and is sh8t scared of going to the people.
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Would the 2/3rds majority required to call an early election not count? Assuming that in such a scenario they don't go for the no confidence option.
Well you learn something every day.

Yes, a 2/3 majority is needed to dissolve parliament and call an election.

Sturgeon won't get that. She doesn't have the numbers and the other parties have no reason to cooperate.

Route 2 is a vote of no confidence. Obviously that won't happen either.

Route 3 is intriguing: if Sturgeon resigns as FM and no replacement is appointed within 28 days, then there must be a general election. Would she do that? It would be highly risky.
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Well you learn something every day.

Yes, a 2/3 majority is needed to dissolve parliament and call an election.

Sturgeon won't get that. She doesn't have the numbers and the other parties have no reason to cooperate.

Route 2 is a vote of no confidence. Obviously that won't happen either.

Route 3 is intriguing: if Sturgeon resigns as FM and no replacement is appointed within 28 days, then there must be a general election. Would she do that? It would be highly risky.
I wish she would. Highly unlikely though.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TODAY!

EU ambassador, Sir Tim Barrow will deliver Brexit notification at 12.30 today.

Champagne at the ready guys!

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May called the German chancellor, Angel Merkel, the president of the European Council, Donald Tusk, and the president of the European Commission, Jean Claude Juncker, on Tuesday evening to update them ahead of sending the letter.

A Downing Street spokesperson said: “In separate calls, they agreed that a strong EU was in everyone’s interests and that the UK would remain a close and committed ally. They also agreed on the importance of entering into negotiations in a constructive and positive spirit, and of ensuring a smooth and orderly exit process.”
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I voted remain and I have seen noting to change my mind to date. I think leaving is a self destructive move but hey ho, that's democracy... I hope I am wrong but we just don't know yet

I hope the above quite comes true;

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A constructive, pragmatic approach has to be the way forward. Selling this however to some will be difficult (Rees-Mogg, Redwood, I am looking at you)
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