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Old 07-08-2017, 18:20   #286
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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To quote an article I saw about this and the Ford Mustang 5.0l

"No Replacement for Displacement"
Tesla model S wih ludicrous mode engaged......

Can't believe as a diehard petrol head I've written that
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Oh, I know Solar and Wind power are not the whole answer. That said, some of the problems with unreliability can be reduced by the use of batteries.

Personally, I'd like to see us looking at Nuclear again. I know we have existing Nuclear stations, but I think we need to look at either upgrading our existing ones or building new ones.
There are currently 3 new nuclear power stations in the pipeline. Joint ventures between EDF and the Chinese.

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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Tesla model S wih ludicrous mode engaged......

Can't believe as a diehard petrol head I've written that
Yep, that Tesla is quick. Guy Martin rode an electric bike around the Isle during TT week and he was impressed; he said after 'it was the future'.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

The streets would need extension leads running across pavements.

it's all a fantasy. it will never happen.
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There are currently 3 new nuclear power stations in the pipeline. Joint ventures between EDF and the Chinese.

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The streets would need extension leads running across pavements.

it's all a fantasy. it will never happen.
It's already happening.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Where does that post mention "extension leads running across pavements."
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Without a major investment in infrastructure that no one so far seems interested in commiting to, electric vehicles will not be in the majority anytime soon. I'm not opposed to the idea hell as someone who lives on a main road I'd welcome it with open arms it just isn't going to happen anytime soon no matter how much i and others may like it too.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

I think people are putting too much faith in battery technology improving.

There is however some simple physics that shows why this is not really viable: Say you had a 100 KWhr battery, this is enough to give a decent range, to charge it in 1 hour requires 230v at 440 Amps excluding inefficiencies. Just think of the cable thickness and "plug".

Now you want a fast rechage at a garage say, 6 minutes? that's 4,400 Amps!!! A cable to carry that would be so heavy you'd need a crane. The magnetic field generated by such a current is likely to erase things in the vicinity.

Quick refilling and long range can only be got from a fuel cell / hydride tank using Hydrogen. A simple swappable tank cartridge could have you filled up in under a minute and the tanks are recharged with Hydrogen at the garage, generated using surplus electricity, where you stopped. The fuel cell can also be run "backwards" for a slow recharge of the tank at your home.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Where does that post mention "extension leads running across pavements."
It mentions it in the quoted post:

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So, you have an electric car and a driveway or garage with a power socket so you can recharge the car when not in use.

But what if you don't have a driveway? What if you have to hunt around the area every time you want to park at a kerbside? Will the streets of the country be lined with charging sockets? Or will pavements be strewn with leads from kerbs to gardens or houses?
A potential solution is inductive charging.
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A potential solution is inductive charging.

An idea.

otherwise it'll have to back to the extension cables running across the pavements.

it'll never happen
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An idea.

otherwise it'll have to back to the extension cables running across the pavements.

it'll never happen
Apparently, inductive charging has been in use in S Korea for a number of years. When we say "it'll never happen" they just get on and do it.

Admittedly, it isn't going to be easy but if you are offered the choice of an electric vehicle or nothing, what will you choose? The government will keep commercial transport running but there is less need to provide an independent means of transport for private individuals....
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Apparently, inductive charging has been in use in S Korea for a number of years. When we say "it'll never happen" they just get on and do it.

Admittedly, it isn't going to be easy but if you are offered the choice of an electric vehicle or nothing, what will you choose? The government will keep commercial transport running but there is less need to provide an independent means of transport for private individuals....
If there is no other choice then people will definitely force to choose electric vehicle.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

... and therein lies the reality. We're not going to have a choice and will be reliant upon our local and national authorities to get it right and ensure sufficient infrastructure of the right type is there when it's required. I'm sorry but given the debacles surrounding London's new airport/runway, power generating capacity etc. I don't have a great deal of faith that the reality will bear any relation to what's being envisaged. It may be possible in societies such as Korea but in the UK I can see this being chaotic with a huge impact on personal freedom. Of course the great and the good will be effectively exempt from any of that and no doubt delighted that the rest of us aren't clogging up the roads for them as they go about their business of accumulating more wealth whilst living the high life. I reckon a great many people really believe that switching to all electric vehicles will provide them with just the same freedom and flexibility they enjoy now with petrol/diesel vehicles but much cheaper and IMHO the reality will be very different, certainly within the timescale set out. The lost fuel related and other revenues will have to be recouped from somewhere as will the massive cost of the national infrastructure required to support such a dramatic change. I have no faith that our glorious leaders can deliver on this objective and of course if/when they don't it'll be us mere mortals who'll suffer most of all...
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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... and therein lies the reality. We're not going to have a choice and will be reliant upon our local and national authorities to get it right and ensure sufficient infrastructure of the right type is there when it's required. I'm sorry but given the debacles surrounding London's new airport/runway, power generating capacity etc. I don't have a great deal of faith that the reality will bear any relation to what's being envisaged. It may be possible in societies such as Korea but in the UK I can see this being chaotic with a huge impact on personal freedom. Of course the great and the good will be effectively exempt from any of that and no doubt delighted that the rest of us aren't clogging up the roads for them as they go about their business of accumulating more wealth whilst living the high life. I reckon a great many people really believe that switching to all electric vehicles will provide them with just the same freedom and flexibility they enjoy now with petrol/diesel vehicles but much cheaper and IMHO the reality will be very different, certainly within the timescale set out. The lost fuel related and the revenues will have to be recouped from somewhere as will the massive cost of the national infrastructure required to support such a dramatic change. I have no faith that our glorious leaders can deliver on this objective and of course if/when they don't it'll be us mere mortals who'll suffer most of all...
Oh come on have more faith in Mother Theresa, she's got her finger on the pulse and knows what's going down.

We were supposed to be in hover cars by now according to my 1975 Beano Annual, so they haven't a clue what transport will be like in 2040. I suspect like now, but even more congested. Number of cars is the problem, not the fuel source.

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Apparently, inductive charging has been in use in S Korea for a number of years...
No wonder N Korea are threatening war, that's energy theft !
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