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Old 11-08-2017, 11:46   #301
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

I would not expect it to be cheaper to run an electric car but it will be cleaner and that's the crux of the policy change. The revenue will be in the power generation.

I say again, embrace the inevitable or Joe Public will miss out on their rightly treasured independence and the roads will become reserved for the "elite" by default. Negativity plays right into their hands.
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The lost fuel related and other revenues will have to be recouped from somewhere as will the massive cost of the national infrastructure required to support such a dramatic change. I have no faith that our glorious leaders can deliver on this objective and of course if/when they don't it'll be us mere mortals who'll suffer most of all...
Maybe if they're all incompetent you should run for Parliament and kick things into touch?
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Thought of this thread when the SyFy Channel showed the first part of a new series earlier this evening, where cars run on blood!

http://tv.bt.com/tv/tv-from-bt/chris...11364202544307
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Thought of this thread when the SyFy Channel showed the first part of a new series earlier this evening, where cars run on blood!

http://tv.bt.com/tv/tv-from-bt/chris...11364202544307
Yes, yes that's all very interesting but does she get her kit off?
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... and therein lies the reality. We're not going to have a choice and will be reliant upon our local and national authorities to get it right and ensure sufficient infrastructure of the right type is there when it's required. I'm sorry but given the debacles surrounding London's new airport/runway, power generating capacity etc. I don't have a great deal of faith that the reality will bear any relation to what's being envisaged. It may be possible in societies such as Korea but in the UK I can see this being chaotic with a huge impact on personal freedom. Of course the great and the good will be effectively exempt from any of that and no doubt delighted that the rest of us aren't clogging up the roads for them as they go about their business of accumulating more wealth whilst living the high life. I reckon a great many people really believe that switching to all electric vehicles will provide them with just the same freedom and flexibility they enjoy now with petrol/diesel vehicles but much cheaper and IMHO the reality will be very different, certainly within the timescale set out. The lost fuel related and other revenues will have to be recouped from somewhere as will the massive cost of the national infrastructure required to support such a dramatic change. I have no faith that our glorious leaders can deliver on this objective and of course if/when they don't it'll be us mere mortals who'll suffer most of all...
I believe that we will have a choice, Osem, just not between petrol and diesel.


http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/tips-and-a...fuel-cell-cars
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I believe that we will have a choice, Osem, just not between petrol and diesel.


http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/tips-and-a...fuel-cell-cars
and with fuel cell technology (or anything else) in the offing who's going to want to install/underwrite all the national infrastructure required to provide for charging electric vehicles in public places, workplaces, streets etc. unless they're guaranteed a return? As I said before, technology is moving faster than our ability to service it. By the time we build the charging infrastructure the world could well have moved on to something new.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

My two worries are:

1) Electric cars are too quiet. Almost been run over twice by silent Prius taxi drivers. Can't hear them coming, especially at lower speeds.

2) In crashes, electric cars seem to explode in to flames more than petrol cars going by the pattern I have seen in news articles. Assuming this is related to the batteries?
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My two worries are:

1) Electric cars are too quiet. Almost been run over twice by silent Prius taxi drivers. Can't hear them coming, especially at lower speeds.

2) In crashes, electric cars seem to explode in to flames more than petrol cars going by the pattern I have seen in news articles. Assuming this is related to the batteries?
I know what you mean about the lack of noise and it is dangerous. Our hearing is one of our most important senses when it comes to safety so I think these vehicles will need to generate some sort of 'artificial' noise.

Lithium is pretty volatile isn't it. I can see a major rethink in fire fighting methods also being required.

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My two worries are:

1) Electric cars are too quiet. Almost been run over twice by silent Prius taxi drivers. Can't hear them coming, especially at lower speeds.

2) In crashes, electric cars seem to explode in to flames more than petrol cars going by the pattern I have seen in news articles. Assuming this is related to the batteries?
I agree with the silence of electric cars and they sould be given an artificial noise to make people aware of thier prescence.

I cannot agree that electric cars explode in flames more than petrol ones. You mention a pattern in news articles which I haven't seen.

Without objective data your item 2 becomes nothing more than an opinion which appears to have no foundation.
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I cannot agree that electric cars explode in flames more than petrol ones. You mention a pattern in news articles which I haven't seen.

Without objective data your item 2 becomes nothing more than an opinion which appears to have no foundation.
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The two-seater was “totally destroyed” by the blaze which also caused smoke damage to the building next door.

It had been left plugged in to charge overnight but fire crews were called in the early hours of Sunday (July 9) morning to tackle the blaze.

Firefighters registered a temperature of 300C as the 17.6kWh lithium ion battery back continued to burn.
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And Richard Hammond's electric car, also destroyed by a battery fire.

Of course to know whether this is more likely we need to know the rates of fires relative to the numbers of cars of each type.
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Of course to know whether this is more likely we need to know the rates of fires relative to the numbers of cars of each type.
Exactly, this is what's known as objective data.
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They need one of them turbo whistler things.
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Nah, just a bit of cardbord through the wheel spokes!
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Nah, just a bit of cardbord through the wheel spokes!
wooden pegs. otherwise you'll be having to get out and adjusting all the time with the plastic ones.
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My two worries are:

1) Electric cars are too quiet. Almost been run over twice by silent Prius taxi drivers. Can't hear them coming, especially at lower speeds.

2) In crashes, electric cars seem to explode in to flames more than petrol cars going by the pattern I have seen in news articles. Assuming this is related to the batteries?
H'mm. You really should look both ways before crossing a road, not just rely on your hearing! Were you not taught this at school and by your parents?
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