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Old 19-03-2017, 21:45   #2761
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Scotland had their vote you can't just have a vote for every little thing.
Brexit is certainly not a 'little thing'. It's massive and Scotland didn't vote for it.

If you believe in democracy what's wrong with letting them have a vote? They might well vote to remain inspite of Brexit. Only reason to object, is if you thing they might vote a way you don't want. However it's up to the Scottish people, not us. They voted to Remain and they voted for the SNP.
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Old 19-03-2017, 22:27   #2762
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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If you believe in democracy what's wrong with letting them have a vote?
They had a vote, they voted "no" to independance.
Democracy doesnt meen you just keep having votes.
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Old 19-03-2017, 22:39   #2763
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Democracy doesnt meen you just keep having votes.
Err yes it does, we have elections every year General, local etc. Just in case we change our minds or make an irretrievable decision...

Since the last Scottish independence vote things have changed significantly. There's the Brexit vote which doesn't reflect Scotland's views and a general election where the SNP had a landslide.

Personally I think Brexit is a disaster and Scotland leaving the UK would be a disaster. However preventing or delaying a democratic vote is not the way to go.
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Old 19-03-2017, 23:09   #2764
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Scotland did not have a block vote in the EU referendum. Each of us had an individual vote on the UK's membership of the EU, same as everyone else. More than a million of us contributed to the total of more than 17 million votes for leave. Around 2 in 5 people who voted in Scotland, voted for leave. And we are rather fed up of Sturgeon trying to erase our voice from the record with her Scotland Voted Remain guff.
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Scotland did not have a block vote in the EU referendum. Each of us had an individual vote on the UK's membership of the EU, same as everyone else. More than a million of us contributed to the total of more than 17 million votes for leave. Around 2 in 5 people who voted in Scotland, voted for leave. And we are rather fed up of Sturgeon trying to erase our voice from the record with her Scotland Voted Remain guff.
That's pretty how much half the UK could potentially feel if you substitute Sturgeon for May and Remain with leave.
But it doesn't. It's democracy and we have to embrace it even if it doesn't give the results we feel the country deserves.
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Old 19-03-2017, 23:31   #2766
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

May's position at least has the merit of being accurate. The result of the referendum was that, by majority, the U.K. voted to leave the EU.

Sturgeon's misrepresentation of the truth is that, first, Scotland didn't vote to leave (whereas Scotland wasn't even on the ballot paper - even in Scotland, we were asked whether the UK should leave, not whether Scotland should leave) and, second, there being a majority for remain within Scotland, she seeks to portray it as a block vote - which,of course, it wasn't; my vote, and more than a million others, contributed to the only total that matters, which is the one for the whole UK.
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Old 19-03-2017, 23:38   #2767
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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That's pretty how much half the UK could potentially feel if you substitute Sturgeon for May and Remain with leave.
But it doesn't. It's democracy and we have to embrace it even if it doesn't give the results we feel the country deserves.

Scotland voted along with wales and ireland as part of the UK it doesn't matter if a majority of Scotland voted to remain because they are part of the UK and majority of the UK decided to leave so they have to stand by that decision.

You can't just say well we didn't like that option so we want to leave the UK. Fish Face is the one with the problem she's racist to the English. I personally think May should refuse a vote it's already been done and she has to accept that.
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Old 19-03-2017, 23:51   #2768
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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May's position at least has the merit of being accurate. The result of the referendum was that, by majority, the U.K. voted to leave the EU.

Sturgeon's misrepresentation of the truth is that, first, Scotland didn't vote to leave (whereas Scotland wasn't even on the ballot paper - even in Scotland, we were asked whether the UK should leave, not whether Scotland should leave) and, second, there being a majority for remain within Scotland, she seeks to portray it as a block vote - which,of course, it wasn't; my vote, and more than a million others, contributed to the only total that matters, which is the one for the whole UK.
Scotland has a considerable degree of autonomy from England. Nicola Sturgeon warned that if Scotland voted to remain in the EU and the UK left the EU then this would trigger a referendum. She cut the data that way, whether we like it or not.
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Old 20-03-2017, 00:26   #2769
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

The majority of scottish people do not want another independence referendum so they are to be ignored to pander to the snp hell lets make an independence vote an annual thing because circumstances constantly change. During the last one the snp agreed with everyone else it was a once in a generation vote and they seem to have forgotten that now. Perhaps what they should have said is " this is a once in a generation vote because we expect to win and will not allow another vote for a longtime unless we lose this vote then we will call for another vote every chance we get".
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Old 20-03-2017, 00:41   #2770
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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The majority of scottish people do not want another independence referendum so they are to be ignored to pander to the snp hell lets make an independence vote an annual thing because circumstances constantly change. During the last one the snp agreed with everyone else it was a once in a generation vote and they seem to have forgotten that now. Perhaps what they should have said is " this is a once in a generation vote because we expect to win and will not allow another vote for a longtime unless we lose this vote then we will call for another vote every chance we get".
A vote for Brexit was always going to change this. Hopefully, Scotland will vote to remain part of the UK but it's up to that country to decide.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

A vote on EU membership existed as a likelihood in 2014 not as though it came out of nowhere in 2015 and you didn't respond to the fact that it isn't the scottish people who want another vote it's just the snp, personally i think the wishes of the scottish people are more important then the selfish want of one political party.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

It's like the losing side of a football game that says we want to keep playing till we win.
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Old 20-03-2017, 08:38   #2773
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Scotland has a considerable degree of autonomy from England. Nicola Sturgeon warned that if Scotland voted to remain in the EU and the UK left the EU then this would trigger a referendum. She cut the data that way, whether we like it or not.
She also said the referendum was a once in a lifetime event, at the same time as David Cameron promised an EU referendum if he won the 2015 general election.

Please don't be taken in by SNP spin. Nothing has occurred since the 2014 referendum that Scottish voters were unaware of. Brexit is a handy pretext. If it had not been that, it would have been something else.
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She also said the referendum was a once in a lifetime event, at the same time as David Cameron promised an EU referendum if he won the 2015 general election.

Please don't be taken in by SNP spin. Nothing has occurred since the 2014 referendum that Scottish voters were unaware of. Brexit is a handy pretext. If it had not been that, it would have been something else.
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She also said the referendum was a once in a lifetime event, at the same time as David Cameron promised an EU referendum if he won the 2015 general election.

Please don't be taken in by SNP spin. Nothing has occurred since the 2014 referendum that Scottish voters were unaware of. Brexit is a handy pretext. If it had not been that, it would have been something else.
This is just it, Angus Robertson in the Commons, is screeching on about May's decision not to permit another indyref just yet as undemocratic, yet, we knew full well back in 2014, the SNP were never going to accept the democratic result of remain and they were just waiting in the wings and hoping for a Brexit.

I joined in on a Social Warrior discussion on facebook last night and some clown was arguing that the pound belongs to Scotland and it was Scotland who had invented the Pound so they have every right to keep it and UK would have to get their own currency .

History dictates otherwise of course and I enjoyed pointing this out to him, "The , Pound Sterling, is the Worlds oldest Currency, going back over 1200 years, born about 775AD, when "sterlings" or silver pennies were the main currency in Anglo-Saxon kingdoms...

...Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of England during late antiquity and the early Middle Ages, conventionally identified as seven: East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Mercia, Northumbria, Sussex and Wessex. The first printed bank notes were created in 1853."
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