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Old 13-03-2017, 16:20   #2641
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Heh the Barnett formula, so crap even Lord Barnett wished he hadn't implemented it. Some people don't know when they're well off.
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Old 13-03-2017, 16:22   #2642
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Well she has to go cap in hand to Westminster..good luck with that.
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Old 13-03-2017, 16:28   #2643
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I've an idea - how about the rest of the UK having a referendum on a) whether the SNP can call a second 'once in a lifetime' vote and b) whether they'll ever be allowed back in if they do decide to leave...

Part of me would love to see them leave the UK just so the SNP finally have to carry the can for what follows. The likes of Sturgeon and Salmond are far more interested in indulging their own deluded egos than they are safeguarding the long term future of Scotland.
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Old 13-03-2017, 17:12   #2644
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Sky News sources are saying the wee lass, Nicola, being pushed in to calling for another Indy Ref by Turkey neck, Alex Salmond and others.
I think she probably was. The membership has been far more itchy for a referendum than Stugeon who was by all accounts rather cautious and skeptical of another vote in this Scottish Parliament. Her goal has been to wait until the Yes vote was polling above 60%, but Brexit appears to have forced her hand for now with the membership ready to pounce.
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Old 13-03-2017, 17:35   #2645
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I think there is a strong case for wanting a second indy referendum .The goal posts have definitely been moved since the last one and the large majority of scottish voters voted to remain .I think May should give Sturgeon the referendum she wants but have it ASAP so that everyone knows where they stand
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Old 13-03-2017, 17:41   #2646
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

She actually makes me sick with her behavior for referendums, As long as she goes down in history as the person who split the U K ,she does not care about the economy, NHS, schools or anything else that matters, I hope Teresa May tells her to get lost, My answer I'd NO, like the last one,
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Old 13-03-2017, 17:43   #2647
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Give the rest of the UK a vote on scotlands membership of the union it isn't right the snp can create trouble anytime they fancy their chances with the bulk of the UK then having to go through devisive and nasty campaigning. This issue will not end until a politician has the guts to give a vote to the rest of the UK until then we will be lucky if we can go a few years without the snp wanting a referendum.

Oh and this time no incentives should be given to try and influence the vote to be honest given the last one was meant to be a once in a lifetime thing we should cancel some of the incentives that were given as clearly the snp never intended it to be a once in a lifetime vote.
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Old 13-03-2017, 18:03   #2648
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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She actually makes me sick with her behavior for referendums, As long as she goes down in history as the person who split the U K ,she does not care about the economy, NHS, schools or anything else that matters, I hope Teresa May tells her to get lost, My answer I'd NO, like the last one,
David Cameron will go down in history as the person responsible for splitting the UK if she wins the referendum, for the trigger has been the Brexit vote.
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Old 13-03-2017, 18:13   #2649
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Brexit is just the most convenient excuse for the snp if it hadn't happened they would have found another excuse they are only interested in breaking the union by whatever means necessary. I hope most scots will see this for what it is pure ego driven politics not what's in the best interests of scotland or it's citizens. If a second vote is held whatever the result it will empower the snp and if a second vote goes against them they will use an excuse and call for another after a few short years.

Why not there is no downside here if they lose the vote that's all they lose and that's why I'd like a UK wide vote on scotlands future lets see how enthusiastic the snp are for votes when they have the rest of the UK kicking them out. If the politicians truly believe in the benefit of the union they must strongly defend it and not allow it to be held to ransom at the whim of a bunch of selfish idiots anytime they want to play up.
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Old 13-03-2017, 18:21   #2650
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

It all depends on what the Scottish electorate see as more important ,staying in the union or staying in the EU .The latter is problematic because i cannot see the EU allowing Scotland to simply take our seat at the EU table ,i think they would have to apply for membership the same as any other country and how is Sturgeon going to sell the idea of escaping rule by Westminster only to replace it with rule by Brussels.Give her the referendum i say and sit back while she ties herself in knots
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Old 13-03-2017, 18:21   #2651
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Brexit is just the most convenient excuse for the snp if it hadn't happened they would have found another excuse they are only interested in breaking the union by whatever means necessary. I hope most scots will see this for what it is pure ego driven politics not what's in the best interests of scotland or it's citizens. If a second vote is held whatever the result it will empower the snp and if a second vote goes against them they will use an excuse and call for another after a few short years.

Why not there is no downside here if they lose the vote that's all they lose and that's why I'd like a UK wide vote on scotlands future lets see how enthusiastic the snp are for votes when they have the rest of the UK kicking them out. If the politicians truly believe in the benefit of the union they must strongly defend it and not allow it to be held to ransom at the whim of a bunch of selfish idiots anytime they want to play up.
Of course the SNP only needed an excuse. They are committed to an Independent Scotland. Likewise the prospect of being kicked out by the rest of the UK would suit them too, I don't see how that would help.

It's not the SNP we should be worried about, it's the voters of Scotland as a whole.
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Of course the SNP only needed an excuse. They are committed to an Independent Scotland. Likewise the prospect of being kicked out by the rest of the UK would suit them too, I don't see how that would help.

It's not the SNP we should be worried about, it's the voters of Scotland as a whole.
It would suit some of us just fine.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

The snp are the problem and the people of scotland elected them and the whole UK suffers when an independence referendum happens not least the amount of crap thrown at them. There needs to be something to balance out the eagerness of the snp to call for independence referendums and that's why everyone having a vote will work in tempering their stupidity. Yes the snp want out of the UK but they want to do it on their terms them having the credit for independence if they are kicked out that's not what they want.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Will be interesting to see the words "take back control and "sovereignty" used by the independence campaign.
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It would suit some of us just fine.
I think losing the Union would be 10x worse than leaving the EU for me.

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The snp are the problem and the people of scotland elected them and the whole UK suffers when an independence referendum happens not least the amount of crap thrown at them. There needs to be something to balance out the eagerness of the snp to call for independence referendums and that's why everyone having a vote will work in tempering their stupidity. Yes the snp want out of the UK but they want to do it on their terms them having the credit for independence if they are kicked out that's not what they want.
Many in the SNP joined when the party was a small bunch of wackjobs with no chance or prospect of power. Don't underestimate the sacrifices they would go to to achieve their goal. They would drive the party into the ditch if it meant Independence.
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