U.S President: Donald Trump

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's all very well to say that. The constant stream of inappropriate tweets, comments and worrying gaffs cannot be ignored. The sooner this Frank Spencer of a president is impeached, the safer we will all be, and maybe we can sleep more soundly at night.

i sleep just fine ,i don't know the Donald but i would guess he doesn't give a damn about others opinion of him , and i doubt the world is so unstable that a tweet is going to trigger oblivion .

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i sleep just fine ,i don't know the Donald but i would guess he doesn't give a damn about others opinion of him , and i doubt the world is so unstable that a tweet is going to trigger oblivion .

the world's not that unstable but he might be....

Originally Posted by Damien

Well we don't know yet. It appears this is just one of the documents Corney has according to the article and maybe he is waiting until congress calls him to justify to release more and enter testimony to the record.

The (Republican) head of the House Oversight Committee has already requested the memo and any other documents to investigate it. There may be nothing there but that's probably going to be decided by congress.

At this rate Trump is more likely to get in serious trouble over how he is acting over this investigation than anything the investigation, left to it's own devices, might find. It's often said that it's the cover-up that kills you but it's something else if that cover-up is of something that was never a problem in the first place.

Trump would do better to say 'there is nothing there, you go ahead with the investigation to confirm it' rather than acting up. If you're worried about partisan interference from congress than appoint a Special Prosecutor or an Independent bi-partisan commission. At the moment, even if there is nothing there at all, he isn't helping himself.

There has not been a cover up though. The investigation still is ongoing McCabe, acting FBI Director made a legal testimony that there had been no effort to impede the investigation. If there was ever a trial with Trump in the dock, I'd say this was a start to great defence.

If Trump said 'I hope you can let this go, Flynn is a good guy' and Comey has apparently said in response, 'I agree, he is a good guy.' Comey is hanging himself out to dry for sitting on this, if true and not reporting the alleged conversation with congress at the time. Democrats can scream obstruction of justice, impeachment blah blah, all they want but from a legal standpoint, no crime has been committed because the investigation is still ongoing, firing Comey did not and would not stop it.

I was watching CNN last night and even they had a lawyer on saying it was not obstruction of justice. That Comey sitting on this, if it's true, that him doing nothing, could see himself in trouble.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

the world's not that unstable but he might be....

I can think of a few unstable individuals, those specifically who mock democracy and cherish the EU, and don't see it for what it really is. A totally corrupt pile of garbage.

Originally Posted by Mick

There has not been a cover up though. The investigation still is ongoing McCabe, acting FBI Director made a legal testimony that there had been no effort to impede the investigation. If there was ever a trial with Trump in the dock, I'd say this was a start to great defence.

The acting FBI director was referring to the investigation into Russian interference. The Flynn investigation is apparently separate. Either way we also have the previous FBI director, maybe, saying otherwise. It's not a conclusive case by any means but if he testifies to congress the story might move on.

The Wall Street Journal is reporting there may be more to come: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-a...tor-1494974774

So we wait and see.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mick

I was watching CNN last night .

I hope you applied an antidote with a dose of Fox news

[Osem]

So Putin reckons he has records which will clear Trump of giving away secrets. The thing is can they be trusted?...

Vladimir Putin has said he is willing to provide a transcript of Donald Trump's meeting with senior Russian officials, insisting the US President did not share classified intelligence.

The Russian President said he would not share the audio recording of Mr Trump's meeting with foreign minister Sergey Lavrov but would be prepared to provide the transcript, according to a Kremlin aide.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7740416.html

Trump doesn't need to justify himself on the sharing of information, he has had his surrogates backing him up saying no secrets were shared and has been said already, even if Trump did, he is the executive branch and has the authority to declassify anything he seems fit.

The problem at the moment in the White House is leakers, people trying to stitch Trump up by running to the liberal Press with so called conversations. I said this at the start of his Presidency, there will be people around him always attempting to stick the knife in.

I have come to the conclusion that while the Founding Fathers attempted to create a perfect democratic system with checks and balances over 200 years ago, their workings are flawed because there is this constant rivalry and in fighting and that in some instance, while there is an official government, there is a secret government in play that tries all it can to unpick the official one. You only have to way up history and the Asassination of President John F. Kennedy and the conspiracy surrounding it, with fingers pointing at the CIA with assumption being they did not like the Kennedy's.

They didn't want a king.

Although I think you're referring more to the bureaucracy rather than the balances of powers?

Originally Posted by Damien

They didn't want a king.

Although I think you're referring more to the bureaucracy rather than the balances of powers?

Yes, something like that, while I understand the workings of the Electoral College, it's the inner workings of the Constitution that I think sometimes it may be flawed.

There should be a independent system that does the checks and balances, right now it depends on political parties, who naturally have an axe to grind with their opposition. I absolutely agree Trump needs to be investigated but by a non-biased political entity.

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes, something like that, while I understand the workings of the Electoral College, it's the inner workings of the Constitution that I think sometimes it may be flawed.

I think you would get resistance from almost any democratic system if the bureaucracy is uncooperative. Imagine how the civil service could cripple the government here if they really wanted. The United States, for better or worse, has more political appointments than we do though. I prefer our system as moving staff in and out of positions every 4/8 years seems inefficient.

There should be a independent system that does the checks and balances, right now it depends on political parties, who naturally have an axe to grind with their opposition. I absolutely agree Trump needs to be investigated but by a non-biased political entity.

Well the judiciary is the third, independent, branch. Many judges are political appointees but are then immune from political interference. Trump has the other branch in the hands of the Republicans.

A special prosecutor is the best solution here. Independent of congress and the White House.

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Chaffez has officially invited Corney to testify next Wednesday: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...dnesday-238512

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

the world's not that unstable but he might be....

It's the unstable individuals who make an unstable world.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i sleep just fine ,i don't know the Donald but i would guess he doesn't give a damn about others opinion of him , and i doubt the world is so unstable that a tweet is going to trigger oblivion .

I presume you take sleeping tablets, then, assuming you do want us all to survive.

Diplomacy can be pretty tricky sometimes, particularly when dealing with other unstable leaders. I believe a beligerent tweet could indeed stir a hostile reaction from some of these monsters.

Donald Trump has no manners and no finesse and I am not confident that we will all survive the remaining three and a half years of his 'rule' without something very regrettable happening.

The only happy ending I can envisage is that The Donald decides to go to Pyongyang to sort its Dear Leader out once and for all and nobody gets up to stop him.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's the unstable individuals who make an unstable world.

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I presume you take sleeping tablets, then, assuming you do want us all to survive.

Diplomacy can be pretty tricky sometimes, particularly when dealing with other unstable leaders. I believe a beligerent tweet could indeed stir a hostile reaction from some of these monsters.

Donald Trump has no manners and no finesse and I am not confident that we will all survive the remaining three and a half years of his 'rule' without something very regrettable happening.

The only happy ending I can envisage is that The Donald decides to go to Pyongyang to sort its Dear Leader out once and for all and nobody gets up to stop him.

i invested in a tin foil table cloth and now i sleep under the table .

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The only happy ending I can envisage is that The Donald decides to go to Pyongyang to sort its Dear Leader out once and for all and nobody gets up to stop him.

So, you're scared that Trump will blow up the world but want him to attack North Korea


Trump is trying a more peaceful solution by building good relations with China to put pressure on North Korea. Who's the dumb/smart one in this scenario?


Trump along with Brexit is standing up against globalisation; a big thrust of which is done via multinational trade deals. He has cancelled TPP, TTIP (now dead) would never have got off the ground under Trump and NAFTA will be renegotiated. Obama and Hillary were/are globalists. Trump is bringing jobs back to the US and has cut illegal immigration from Mexico by 70% since taking office. He has appointed a Supreme court judge with traditional moral standards, repealed the Johnson amendment, giving all religions freedom of political views without financial penalties and curtailed lobbying. And shown that there is someone in charge who will not let a red line be crossed when he strategically attacked Syria.


Those with liberal views hate these things, hence outrage.

[Mr K]

Yes Trump is indeed the Second Coming and we can all be grateful. Seems to be going down well in the US too.

Trump is hitting new approval lows at precisely the wrong time

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...he-wrong-time/
Liberal bleeding country, they don't realise how lucky they are...

[Gavin78]

I thin Trump will do well he hasn't fallen into a YES person that is why the system is all over the place at the minute. 12 months from now we'll see a different and better kind of America