U.S President: Donald Trump

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Make your mind up Donald

http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/donald...ris-agreement/

Fake news. Sarah Sanders, WH Press Secretary put out a statement that Trumps position is unchanged and it even says this in the article you've linked to.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

Fake news. Sarah Sanders, WH Press Secretary put out a statement that Trumps position is unchanged and it even says this in the article you've linked to.

What else did she say though, in literally the next breath she contradicted her previous statement

[Mr K]

He's a short termist money grabbing Muppet. He's just realised that climate change might really have an economic risk to the US, much more than any threat from the Paris accord. Shame it's taken a few hurricanes for the idiot to realise it. Even bigger shame for all of us that changes might be too late. You can't just switch the hurricanes on and off Donald or wave your billions at them.

Originally Posted by Mr K

He's a short termist money grabbing Muppet. He's just realised that climate change might really have an economic risk to the US, much more than any threat from the Paris accord. Shame it's taken a few hurricanes for the idiot to realise it. Even bigger shame for all of us that changes might be too late. You can't just switch the hurricanes on and off Donald or wave your billions at them.

Money grabbing?

So what are China then, being allowed to build pollution busting power plants, while still part of the accord?

He is not taking any salary while being in office. ($400,000 per year).

He has just donated 1 million dollars of his own personal wealth to the hurricane relief efforts.

Where is Barack Obama's donation and the where is the Clinton Foundation contribution ?

Obama and the Clintons are too busy organising, paid for speeches events, charging hundreds of thousands of dollars per event, they are the real money grabbers here.

Instead, it seems like Obama will spend his post-presidency hauling in money as the Clintons have. I don’t believe even under the guise of philanthropy that speaking to banks helps ameliorate economic racism; it certainly doesn’t help the Democrats electorally.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...racial-justice

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What else did she say though, in literally the next breath she contradicted her previous statement

No she did not.

His position has not changed. The story is false. He is prepared to rejoin it if the terms are more favourable to the US. That was his position before.

Originally Posted by Mick

Where is Barack Obama's donation and the where is the Clinton Foundation contribution ?

Obama and the Clintons are too busy organising, paid for speeches events, charging hundreds of thousands of dollars per event, they are the real money grabbers here. .

How is that a fair measurement? Does Obama need to donate to every cause Trump does now?

This in my opinion is why politicians should always keep the salary and not using personal money or to do so privately otherwise the richest people always have the advantage.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

His position has not changed. The story is false. He is prepared to rejoin it if the terms are more favourable to the US. That was his position before.

What's his position when the roof has been ripped off his house and he's up to his neck in water? Same as the rest of us I should think.

Originally Posted by Mr K

What's his position when the roof has been ripped off his house and he's up to his neck in water? Same as the rest of us I should think.

I have said to you before. He is prepared to re-negotiate the terms and re-join. As it stands, he considers them unfair (as did 20 or so other Republican Senators who urged Trump to quit the Accord)

China being allowed to build mass polluting power facilities while everyone else is not allowed. Why should China be allowed to do what it wants and still pollute the planet. Where is your whinging on this ?

[Mr K]

China has signed up to the Paris accord. The 'developing' countries have a legitimate argument that we caused climate change, so why should they now be held back. However even they have woken up to the fact this affects us all.
As with everything else Trump has pandered to his loony far right base. Now he is realising that increasing extreme weather events affects the US security and economy. Much more than the Paris accord does. He just has to sell it somehow to his disciples which won't be that hard as they are a bit dim. Wonder if anybody has tried explain to him that no matter what changes we make its going to take many decades to have any effect (not that that should stop us).

Originally Posted by Damien

How is that a fair measurement? Does Obama need to donate to every cause Trump does now?

This in my opinion is why politicians should always keep the salary and not using personal money or to do so privately otherwise the richest people always have the advantage.

Why is Mr K's accusation of Trump being a money grabber while in office, a fair measurement?

I'm sick of the one sided BS in this thread. Trump this, Trump that, but let's totally forget about these others on the Democratic side who are just as or more guilty of the things Trump is being accused of.

Former Presidents get a private pension but they also have a expenses reimbursement scheme and Obama is or has requested over a million dollars in expenses for 2018.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4472253/ba...g-1-1-million/

So if we want to talk about money grabbers. I'm happy to provide a bigger picture of who else is lining their pockets and using their high profile reputation, to make money with.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Why is Mr K's accusation of Trump being a money grabber while in office, a fair measurement?

Didn't accuse him, of being of money grabber 'whilst in office'. He's already grabbed all the money he wants, he now just wants power. He didn't get his $3.5 billion by charity works. The $1m he gave to the hurricane victims represents 0.0003% of it (if my sums are right !).

Originally Posted by Mr K

Didn't accuse him, of being of money grabber 'whilst in office'. He's already grabbed all the money he wants, he now just wants power. He didn't get his $3.5 billion by charity works. The $1m he gave to the hurricane victims represents 0.0003% of it (if my sums are right !).

A million dollars, is a million dollars. More than most people earn in a lifetime. In other words, it is still a lot of money for a sitting President to donate from their own personal fortune. I'm genuinely curious, but I wonder if other Presidents did the same during a natural disaster, when they were in office?

Originally Posted by Mick

Former Presidents get a private pension but they also have a expenses reimbursement scheme and Obama is or has requested over a million dollars in expenses for 2018.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4472253/ba...g-1-1-million/

So if we want to talk about money grabbers. I'm happy to provide a bigger picture of who else is lining their pockets and using their high profile reputation, to make money with.

I don't think there is anything wrong with Trump claiming the standard amount of costs a President has. That article doesn't seem to suggest that Obama's expenses are that out of line with what comes with being a former President. They do appear to be expenses rather than him claiming $1 million.

Trump will get an office, Presidental library, pension and security protection as well. Any criticism of Trump/Obama should be directed at non-standard stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I'm genuinely curious, but I wonder if other Presidents did the same during a natural disaster, when they were in office?

It's not part of the job and nor should it be. Credit to him for doing it but it's not a measure or the job of a President. The Government should be the ones providing funding for natural disasters because they can deal with the scale of funding required, such as the $8 billion congress passed.

As for other Presidents we don't usually know until they've left office and it's generally only shown on tax returns. Obama's donations seem to have mostly been directed a children's charities: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex.../#49db5714459e. He also seems to have been helping his Joe Biden as he struggled with his finances over the cancer treated for his son.

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not part of the job and nor should it be. Credit to him for doing it but it's not a measure or the job of a President. The Government should be the ones providing funding for natural disasters because they can deal with the scale of funding required, such as the $8 billion congress passed.

As for other Presidents we don't usually know until they've left office and it's generally only shown on tax returns. Obama's donations seem to have mostly been directed a children's charities: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex.../#49db5714459e. He also seems to have been helping his Joe Biden as he struggled with his finances over the cancer treated for his son.

No, I agree, it should not be a measure, but then until they get labelled a money grabber.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

No, I agree, it should not be a measure, but then until they get labelled a money grabber.

Why are you not labelling Bush Jnr and Bush Snr money grabbers as well?

Originally Posted by ianch99

Why are you not labelling Bush Jnr and Bush Snr money grabbers as well?

I never said that they weren't, they are not recent, so never had the reason to bring them up, not a fan of either of them or Jeb Bush who ran in the Primaries in 2016 US Election.

Let's look at what each current living President earns or has earned per paid for speech, after leaving office... Starting with the President that earns the least.

Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States.

Former President Jimmy Carter "seldom accepts speaking fees," The Associated Press wrote in 2002, "and when he does he typically donates the proceeds to his charitable foundation." His fee for speaking about healthcare, government and politics, and retirement and aging was listed at $50,000 at one time, though.

Carter was openly critical of Ronald Reagan at one time, though, for taking $1 million for a single speech. Carter said he'd never take that much, but added quickly: "I've never been offered that much."

"That's not what I want out of life," Carter said in 1989. "We give money. We don't take it."

George Bush Snr, 41st President of the United States.

Former President George H.W. Bush - who, oddly enough, wasn't fond of speaking in public - was said to charge between $50,000 and $75,000 per speech. And that's according to his son, the 43rd president of the United States. “I don’t know what my dad gets, but it’s more than 50, 75,” the younger Bush told author Robert Draper.

And no, he wasn't talking $50 or $75.

George Bush Jnr, 43rd President of the United States.

Former President George W. Bush earns between $100,000 and $175,000 per speech and is considered one of the most prolific speech-makers in modern politics.

The news source Politico has documented Bush's appearances on the speaking circuit and found he's been the keynote in at least 200 events since leaving office.

Do the math. That amounts to at least $20 million and as much as $35 million in speaking fees he's raked in. Though it should come as no surprise given his stated intention upon leaving off to “replenish the ol’ coffers.”

Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States.

Former President Bill Clinton has made the most of any modern president on the speaking circuit. He gives dozens of speeches a year and each brings in between $250,000 and $500,000 per engagement, according to published reports. He also earned $750,000 for a single speech in Hong Kong in 2011.

In the decade or so after Clinton left office, from 2001 through 2012, he made at least $104 million in speaking fees, according to an analysis by The Washington Post.

Clinton makes no bones about why he charges so much.

“I gotta pay our bills,” he told NBC News.

Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/former-pre...g-fees-3368127

And $104 Million is just what Bill has earned, his other half, Hillary charges extortionate sums too and she was only U.S Secretary of State for a number of years.

Barack Obama, is already said to have earned $800,000 in paid for speeches since leaving office, his speaking fee is said to be around $400,000. Which is what he was paid for, in a 90 Minute Wall Street speech, earlier this year.

It's a very lucrative life, it seems once leaving office.