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Old 13-06-2017, 10:11   #1831
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

Is Ruth Davidson one of these I wonder?

Ruth Davidson suggests Theresa May ready to change strategy towards softer Brexit
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Old 13-06-2017, 11:21   #1832
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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One thing I will say about social care is this working in the NHS I see loads of patients come through that need social care packages that cost a fortune.

The peoples families don't want houses sold to fund it fair enough.

And neither do people want to pay more tax to fund it , caller after caller in the election phone ins to LBC said just that.

They were right to tackle social care as lots of people want it but nobody seemingly wants to pay.

A Exit with an agreement not to impose tariffs would be something no other country has negotiated thus far,even Norway and Switzerland whilst not being EU members have to pay into the pot for the EU access they get.
That's one major problem that is at the heart of our social and health care problems. Good social and health care costs money, whether it is provided by the state or a private company.

The problem comes because people want the good care, but as soon as you mention that it'll cost them a few more pence in the pound in tax, they start complaining about "rip off Britain", and in the next election vote for the party that says they are going to reduce tax.

I remember a few years ago, the Lib Dems were campaigning for an election. They outlined some excellent looking plans for improving various aspects of our lives. Then said they would have to raise Income Tax by 1 or 2p in the pound. The Tories said they would cut income tax and won the election.
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Old 13-06-2017, 12:37   #1833
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She is pushing for 'soft' Brexit but she isn't in the cabinet. Philip Hammond on the other hand has already expressed that they should prioritise the economy and he's the chancellor. Wouldn't be surprised if he were involved.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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I remember a few years ago, the Lib Dems were campaigning for an election. They outlined some excellent looking plans for improving various aspects of our lives. Then said they would have to raise Income Tax by 1 or 2p in the pound.
Didn't Farron get caught out at one of the Leader Q&A's this time around by constantly referring to a 1p rise in tax which implied a 1 p(enny) rise to voters but really he meant 1p(ercent)? The sneaky barsteward.
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Old 13-06-2017, 14:17   #1835
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Didn't Farron get caught out at one of the Leader Q&A's this time around by constantly referring to a 1p rise in tax which implied a 1 p(enny) rise to voters but really he meant 1p(ercent)? The sneaky barsteward.
Possibly, although as I have noted elsewhere (possibly on this forum as well, but I cannot be bothered to look), thanks largely to the "news" media's determination to spend their time attacking Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May rather than actually, you know, giving us the news, I've had difficulty finding out exactly what Tim Farron (or any other Lib Dem) has said about anything beyond homosexuality.

That said, if he actually said "1 p in the pound" (which is how they often describe the tax right), it's entirely possible the media just left off the "in the pound" bit. Of course, it's possible he did that as well.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Senior Cabinet ministers are engaged in secret talks with Labour MPs to secure cross-party backing for a soft Brexit, it has emerged.
Some of the most senior members of Theresa May's team have been discussing how to force the Prime Minister to make concessions on immigration, the customs union and the single market.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-soft-brexit/

it's nice the parties are working together I think The swivel eyed loons are outnumbered, massively now.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

Simon Schama gives damning indictment of Theresa May.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KP_u1DSE3qQ

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b024026879ec5e
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Old 13-06-2017, 15:00   #1838
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Didn't Farron get caught out at one of the Leader Q&A's this time around by constantly referring to a 1p rise in tax which implied a 1 p(enny) rise to voters but really he meant 1p(ercent)? The sneaky barsteward.
Since income tax is measured by percent, I would think thats what he means.
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Yup. Politicians sometimes say in pence for some reason. So 20p tax rate etc. You would have to be an utter moron to think tax would raise by 1p
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

Seems even the Gove-meister is seeking consensus:

Michael Gove: Brexit 'consensus' needed after general election

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Mr Gove noted that most votes at the election had been cast for either the Conservatives or Labour, who both support leaving the EU and ending freedom of movement, but added: "It is important to recognise we were not returned with a majority."

The government should "proceed with the maximum possible consensus", he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme, and "make sure that Remainers' concerns are part of our conversation".
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They usually refer to penny(ies) in the pound which is effectively a percentage.
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Seems even the Gove-meister is seeking consensus:

Michael Gove: Brexit 'consensus' needed after general election
Because he knows that JC is a not-so-closet Brexiter?
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

Worth remembering at this point that the Labour manifesto explicitly states that its policy is we leave the single market upon leaving the EU.
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Worth remembering at this point that the Labour manifesto explicitly states that its policy is we leave the single market upon leaving the EU.
Agreed.
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Well he would, wouldn't he?
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