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Old 21-02-2017, 17:59   #376
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Was not Trump who started that Obama birth place row and if you check your facts, Clinton campaign team in 2008, joined on that bandwagon when she was a contender for the President in the 2008 Presidential ticket.

I didn't say he started it,just that he repeated it ad nauseam so he can expect a similar sort of responses..as can the entire Republican administration.
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Old 21-02-2017, 18:01   #377
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Well it won't be the world's poor who are funding anything. They just have their lives dictated by the rich and powerful.
Same as it ever was. Trump has to be one of the richest men assuming the Presidency.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/u...3&ref=cta&_r=0

And so it continues..
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Same as it ever was. Trump has to be one of the richest men assuming the Presidency.
Yes he may well be, who knows what he's really worth or what his motives are but he'd seem to be in conflict with most of his uber rich peers so maybe he is different and that's what they don't like...

The migration situation isn't the same as it was because the world's poor now know more than ever before what's on offer elsewhere and are increasingly prepared to fight for their share. They can see just how rich some people are and how little they have in comparison. In the past that wasn't true to the same extent and that's why we are now seeing huge numbers of people on the move for a better life.

It's going to be increasingly hard for the uber rich to justify their enormous wealth and what are they going to do if the people decide enough's enough? They need a plan B so what is it?

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Yes he may well be, who knows what he's really worth or what his motives are but he'd seem to be in conflict with most of his uber rich peers so maybe he is different and that's what they don't like...
Or they he's nuts. Not sure their distaste tells us much either way.
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Or they he's nuts. Not sure their distaste tells us much either way.
Maybe it tells us he's not a member of their club for some reason and why would that be?...

Since none of us know what his true motives are we can only guess but it's early days to be judging his record in office.
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Yes you do have a President one that is democratically Elected.

As for the comment about destroying your country. None of the previous Presidents did anything to fix some of the long standing issues your country has, in fact some issues have got worse, not better : google homelessness US and see how that got worse under your precious Obama and because past Presidents such as him, they did very little to help ALL Americans, is the reason Trump won the Presidency, the sooner you liberals in the US understand that the better.
Im sorry Mick,I thought all you guys hated trump... (As most americans do)
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Maybe it tells us he's not a member of their club for some reason and why would that be?...
Ironically he is quite literally part of some of their clubs, and owns them, that resort he owns and goes to at the weekends has doubled it's annual fee from $100,000 to $200,000 last month. But less literally he has large business interests across the world he hasn't put into a blind trust, appointed people form Wall Street, rolled back some of the post-2008 banking reforms and won't release his tax returns.

Maybe he'll prove to be the antidote to it although obviously I believe he won't. Still one of the most interesting things about Trump is how well he tapped into that feeling despite previously being almost the embodiment of the rich capitalist throwing their weight around. Before all the Obama stuff kicked off he seemed to play up to that image as well with golden TRUMP logos across a never ending array of products and private clubs marketed on their exclusivity and high prices - a status symbol. One skill he clearly does have is a keen sense of the public mood, especially on television.

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Maybe it tells us he's not a member of their club for some reason and why would that be?...

Since none of us know what his true motives are we can only guess but it's early days to be judging his record in office.
I imagine one motive is to be remembered in history forever. Being a US president guarantees this.
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Im sorry Mick,I thought all you guys hated trump... (As most americans do)
The thing with me. I like to weigh something or someone up after they've had the chance. But I tend to sit on the fence over everything and I do spot tons of double standards and hypocrisy from this seat and all I do is point it out.

At the start of the US campaigns, I actually wanted Hillary to win but was advised by my American pals to research more on her.

I was aware of the Benghazi stuff on her, then there were issues on her emails and then my opinion on her just went down hill the more stuff I kept finding on her and I began to see she was really another Obama and I did not like him at all, did not appreciate him interfering in our referendum on brexit but I did thank him actually, as I was convinced he probably swayed more people to vote leave with his threat to put UK at back of the queue.
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Im sorry Mick,I thought all you guys hated trump... (As most americans do)
Since nearly half of your electorate, even in the popular vote, actually voted for Trump your statement is factually incorrect.

And no, we don't hate Trump, only a vociferous, lefty minority do, as in your country. But then they hate anything that isn't full PC.
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Since nearly half of your electorate, even in the popular vote, actually voted for Trump your statement is factually incorrect.

And no, we don't hate Trump, only a vociferous, lefty minority do, as in your country. But then they hate anything that isn't full PC.
Yours is also factually incorrect, Trump got 27% of the eligible electorates vote.
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Since nearly half of your electorate, even in the popular vote, actually voted for Trump your statement is factually incorrect.

And no, we don't hate Trump, only a vociferous, lefty minority do, as in your country. But then they hate anything that isn't full PC.
Why are people called leftys if they don't like Trump? I don't like him but am certainly not a lefty!
 
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

This looks a great project from The Washington Post's Fact Checker. The presence of fact-checking services would have been interesting in the run-up to the Iraq war! No one person has the time to investigate politicians' claims so this is an incredibly valuable resource. I hope the more extreme Trump supporters don't call this hard work fake news and see it for the contributor to democracy that it is.

Donald Trump 'has delivered falsehood on every single one of his 33 days as President'

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The Independent Donald Trump has been president for all or part of 33 days. He has averaged four falsehoods or misleading statements a day(!) in that time. There hasn't been a single day of Trump's presidency in which he has said nothing false or misleading....

What this Fact Checker project affirms is that Trump has changed nothing in his approach to the truth since being elected president. During the course of the campaign, nearly two-thirds of his claims that The Post's fact-checking team looked into were rated Four Pinocchios - meaning that they were found to be totally and completely false. By comparison, 14 percent of Clinton's fact-checked statements received four Pinocchios.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7592601.html
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Yours is also factually incorrect, Trump got 27% of the eligible electorates vote.
Yours is also misleading as it infers that 73% were against him.
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