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Old 09-07-2017, 20:32   #361
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Well, Den , I think you will find that the majority of people in work do think that many claims are fraudulent. This is precisely why so many people are concerned about it.

If Channel 4 and others have no difficulty in exposing these people, how on earth can you come to the conclusion that this is not a widespread problem?

I have nothing but contempt for these people, because not only is my money being used to support these people - criminals - but also, they are making untold problems for genuine claimants, who ard looked upon with suspicion.

The government needs to be one step ahead of the criminals and not let the odd mistake shake tbeir resolve.
Can't disagree with that sentiment.

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well it makes one wonder why so many are failing the assessment but of course it's always the wrong decision when you don't get a pay day
Have you took part in one of these assessments yourself?.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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a GP may be asked by DWP to complete a factual ESA113 report on a patient for ESA
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ESA 113 is used to collect data from your GP for Employment and Support Allowance and Universal Credit claims.
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The ESA113 form is not a form that PIP use. It is used in relation to 'fit notes' and the fitness of an individual to work.

The DWP put the onus on an individual and the assessor to provide all the evidence on a claim for PIP.
Our GP was not asked to complete these forms for both our twins' ESA claims. Neither was he contacted for my son's PIP claim. I know of no-one who had an ESA113 form completed by their GP.

If a GP did complete ESA113 for any claim, you get a copy if you take it to tribunal.

PIP is not about what is wrong with you, but how it affects your life. This is where many people who previously had DLA fall down when applying for PIP. Even though the questions are basically the same, it's how the assessor/DWP consider their weight in your life.
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Can't disagree with that sentiment.

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Have you took part in one of these assessments yourself?.
i'm looking for good advice i don't want to jump in with both barrels empty
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I think the Government don't trust the GPs to give a true opinion. You hear stories of patients insisting on being prescribed anti-biotics, and the GPS just do it because they don't want any unpleasantness.

When trust breaks down between the government and the professionals, they tend to take sledgehammers to crack nuts.

If only people would do their jobs properly! Or maybe I am being old fashioned! (Agreement not required)

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Facts OB and these are by the DWP.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...es-2016-17.pdf

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Reading things in the media or watching them on TV does not make benefit cheating widespread end off...
This is the tv, Den, and seeing is believing. It's happening. And it's far too easy.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

It would be nice if the Govt. ran a campaign to alert those that should be claiming benefits, but don't. There are far more of these than those cheating the system.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Facts OB and these are by the DWP.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...es-2016-17.pdf...
Den, that link is nothing to do with fraudulent claims, it's about miscalculations by the DWP.

Fraud is a big problem in this area, but unfortunately, this has resulted in genuine claimants having to jump through hoops to receive their entitlements.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Den, that link is nothing to do with fraudulent claims, it's about miscalculations by the DWP.

Fraud is a big problem in this area, but unfortunately, this has resulted in genuine claimants having to jump through hoops to receive their entitlements.
Fraud is not a big problem at all, fraud and error account for less than 2% of spending

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...-at-record-low
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Fraud is not a big problem at all, fraud and error account for less than 2% of spending

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...-at-record-low
Fraud and error in the benefit system has dropped to the lowest level ever, falling by £350 million last year.

would it sound better if it was on the side of a bus


benefit fraud stands at £1.3 billion
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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benefit fraud stands at £1.3 billion
£1.3 billion . The thieving barstewards. Think of the cycle lanes that could build.
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I think the Government don't trust the GPs to give a true opinion. You hear stories of patients insisting on being prescribed anti-biotics, and the GPS just do it because they don't want any unpleasantness.

When trust breaks down between the government and the professionals, they tend to take sledgehammers to crack nuts.

If only people would do their jobs properly! Or maybe I am being old fashioned! (Agreement not required)

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This is the tv, Den, and seeing is believing. It's happening. And it's far too easy.
TV or the written media a easy way to educate the mind or a easy way to fill the mind with uneducated demonising prejudices formed on just a few examples of a very small minority cheating the system as that does not make us a nation of cheating fiddlers but you know that any way OB.

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I think the Government don't trust the GPs to give a true opinion. You hear stories of patients insisting on being prescribed anti-biotics, and the GPS just do it because they don't want any unpleasantness.

When trust breaks down between the government and the professionals, they tend to take sledgehammers to crack nuts.

If only people would do their jobs properly! Or maybe I am being old fashioned! (Agreement not required)

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This is the tv, Den and seeing is believing. It's happening. And it's far too easy.
The vast majority of professions do their job properly as do the vast majority of Joe Public so again yet more hogwash from you OB as again you are forming a opinion from those old prejudiced sources of yours which is really educating that mind of yours.

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It would be nice if the Govt. ran a campaign to alert those that should be claiming benefits, but don't. There are far more of these than those cheating the system.
Don't often agree with you Mr K but l do here.

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Den, that link is nothing to do with fraudulent claims, it's about miscalculations by the DWP.

Fraud is a big problem in this area, but unfortunately, this has resulted in genuine claimants having to jump through hoops to receive their entitlements.
Another staggering statement as you seem to be excelling at that today OB.

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Fraud is not a big problem at all, fraud and error account for less than 2% of spending

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...-at-record-low
Facts seem to be the enemy of OB today as he will only use facts when it suits his own prejudices.

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£1.3 billion . The thieving barstewards. Think of the cycle lanes that could build.
Any fraud must be cracked down hard IMO.
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Fraud and error in the benefit system has dropped to the lowest level ever, falling by £350 million last year.

would it sound better if it was on the side of a bus


benefit fraud stands at £1.3 billion
I personally think it'd be better to use percentages, like fraud accounts for 0.8% of the budget, most other departments or some government's even would be delighted to have that figure, of course if your peddling an agenda it's best to ignore percentages in the hope of painting a false picture with big numbers

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£1.3 billion . The thieving barstewards. Think of the cycle lanes that could build.
Kinda glad they made of with it now
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Fraud is not a big problem at all, fraud and error account for less than 2% of spending

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...-at-record-low
That just relates to those they've caught!!
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I personally think it'd be better to use percentages, like fraud accounts for 0.8% of the budget, most other departments or some government's even would be delighted to have that figure, of course if your peddling an agenda it's best to ignore percentages in the hope of painting a false picture with big numbers

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Kinda glad they made of with it now
that's just trying to hide the fact that £1.300,000,000 is being stolen by cheats not much to be delighted about unless your on the receiving end .
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that's just trying to hide the fact that £1.3000,000,000 is being stolen by cheats not much to be delighted about unless your on the receiving end .
I wonder what percentage of the nhs or the foreign aid budgets are being fraudulently pinched or how much we're overpaying private companies to outsource work to.

I think you are making fraudulent claims to with your figures btw
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