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Old Yesterday, 19:49   #271
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

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The sprinklers in new schools was never a law/rule, just an "expectation". Also it is a relatively recent thing and aimed mainly at protecting the building.

Don't fully get the focus on tower blocks. Other buildings are still at risk. A 6 storey building could just as easily be destroyed by having the insulation.
I suppose the thinking is that the higher up you are, the less chance you have of getting out safely.
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I suppose the thinking is that the higher up you are, the less chance you have of getting out safely.
The distance from 1st floor to 6th floor is the same as from 6th to 11th or indeed from 11th to 16th. If a fire starts on the 1st floor it can still spread quickly up to the 6th with the insulation. The issue is the rapid spreading of fire. At Grenfell the fire started on the 4th floor and they couldn't contain it. Buildings under 18m are just as unsafe.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

You still have more chance of escaping safely if you are lower down.
For starters you can jump out of a window and be reasonable sure you will live, not so when you are 20 storeys up.
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You still have more chance of escaping safely if you are lower down.
For starters you can jump out of a window and be reasonable sure you will live, not so when you are 20 storeys up.
But that is not the reason for the 18m restriction. You are only expected to have to "jump" out from around 1st floor level. Higher than that and there has to be a safe "corridor" to escape.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

In the Grenfell fire, there was evidence of people knotting sheets up and making ropes with them.
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Insurers warned of tower fire risk in month before Grenfell
The Association of British Insurers told ministers in May that outdated building regulations should be reviewed because they had failed to keep pace with modern construction methods, including the installation of flammable surfaces.
“External cladding made from combustible material can often cause significant fire to spread upwards and between buildings, which is a particular concern for areas of high building density,” the group said in its response to a consultation on housing policy.
The ABI warned that installing “large quantities” of such flammable materials increased “the probability of fire and potential scale of loss”.
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You still have more chance of escaping safely if you are lower down.
For starters you can jump out of a window and be reasonable sure you will live, not so when you are 20 storeys up.
Thankfully we are right at the bottom of the 4 story block but l would still be very concerned about those on the first floor upwards still as half of them are elderly with a plethora of medical conditions and all the restrictiveness that comes from that.
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In the Grenfell fire, there was evidence of people knotting sheets up and making ropes with them.
I never found out if the guy found doing that on video survived or not. I am not sure how practical the idea is, can knotted bed sheets sustained the weight of a grown man assuming it's well secured at the other end? If it did then theoretically he seemed low enough down that he could descend to a height whereby the drop wouldn't kill you.
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I never found out if the guy found doing that on video survived or not. I am not sure how practical the idea is, can knotted bed sheets sustained the weight of a grown man assuming it's well secured at the other end? If it did then theoretically he seemed low enough down that he could descend to a height whereby the drop wouldn't kill you.
IIRC the Mythbusters did this when proving jail-break methods.
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