Brexit discussion

[Arthurgray50@blu]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

I would change my mind, as we have been lied to by MPs.
We were told that the money, that was being paid EACH WEEK to the EU would be spent on the NHS.
This has been exposed as full.
As we all know that this wont happen.
During all the crap that we were being told that the money that was being paid each week WOULD go to the NHS

It was on the side of the TORY bus.

This is why l voted OUT.

I have now changed my mind. We will end up paying BILLIONS if TM has her way.
This is why nothing much was mentioned in the budget. They need the money to pay for the EU divorce

[1andrew1]

The Pound will react to the next stage of the negotiations.

Sterling investors on a knife-edge ahead of key Brussels talks
Investors are ready to rally behind the British pound and push it closer to pre-Brexit levels if Theresa May this week delivers an offer to Brussels that secures the UK a transition deal with the European Union...
But investors are on a knife-edge about Brexit, and are just as poised to dump sterling if talks break down as they are to buy it if a transition deal is agreed. “If it becomes clear there isn’t going to be a transition deal, then the pound would be all about that,” said Paul Lambert, head of currency at Insight Investment. Sterling, he added, was not about Brexit in itself. “It’s what it means for the economy. The market has priced in what it thought about Brexit, and the reason it’s giving some of that back [on expectation of a transition deal] is that ultimately the date you’re going to find out is being kicked down the road.”
For all the near-term certainty business would derive from a transition deal, Brexit would still damage the economy in the longer term, said George Magnus, associate at Oxford University’s China Centre. “From a sterling point of view, it’s good news that things seem to be moving in a direction that mitigates against a hard Brexit and a collapse of negotiations,” he said. “We shouldn’t be churlish, but Brexit is a corrosive process as far the UK economy is concerned.”
According to Lefteris Farmakis, macro strategist at UBS, the eurozone was growing significantly faster, while the UK was decelerating more quickly than expected. “That is evidence that something is not right [with the UK economy],” he said. “Against this backdrop, if you get certainty for longer, you could get a pick-up in the short term.”

https://www.ft.com/content/fc34d972-...9-c64b1c09b482

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From what I've heard, Ireland is seeking a fall-back position for Northern Ireland if a sufficiently wide-ranging trade deal is not agreed.
So, it wants a Plan B which I'm guessing would be Northern Ireland remaining in the Customs Union if the EU-UK trade deal would result in a hard border.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

[/COLOR]From what I've heard, Ireland is seeking a fall-back position for Northern Ireland if a sufficiently wide-ranging trade deal is not agreed.
So, it wants a Plan B which I'm guessing would be Northern Ireland remaining in the Customs Union if the EU-UK trade deal would result in a hard border.

Not sure if that will happen to be honest as the DUP will go ballistic at the creation of a 'hard' border between NI and the rest of the UK. It could be enough to break up the agreement between the conservatives and DUP.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/sta...41775467986944

BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no "regulatory divergence" on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews

So either Northern Ireland or the whole of the UK will be following the regulations of the single market.

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Looks like a border between N.Ireland and the UK. That'll go down well.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

You means these immigrants are integrating in to the British way of life?

It does go to show how each persons perceptions of immigration vary depending on their experience. On the whole, most immigrants I have met have been sound. Normal people who just want to get on with their lives. Mick’s experience is different. Neither however is 100% correct.

I have been an immigrant myself, having worked in Germany, Sweden and the US. It’s tough moving to another country to work, especially if the language is different.

Yes of course some are some aren't. That's self evident. For anyone to say all immigrants benefit the UK though is just as silly as saying none of them do. I've worked abroad in far less liberal places than you and am married to someone who's not from the UK so we know plenty of migrants and some are a lot harder working than others just as you'd expect in any group of people. I can see it from both perspectives and so can she but, for me at least, the immigration debate has always been about having some control of quality and quantity. For far too long we've had/exercised neither and it's perfectly obvious where that has led us. Whilst the politicians and economists might like to see an ever increasing GDP, achieving it through population growth as opposed to productivity isn't the answer. We simply can't keep adding 1m people to the total every 3 years and not expect there to be inreasing problems. That reality of population growth has to be faced sooner or later and I'd rather it didn't take increasing social unrest to do so.

BREAKING: IRISH PM say UK and EU close to a deal but DUP say NO to Divergence to Regulatory Alignment. Claiming the IRISH Government is seeking to Unilaterally change the Belfast Agreement.

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/st...85682922901504

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes of course some are some aren't. That's self evident. For anyone to say all immigrants benefit the UK though is just as silly as saying none of them do. I've worked abroad in far less liberal places than you and am married to someone who's not from the UK so we know plenty of migrants and some are a lot harder working than others just as you'd expect in any group of people. I can see it from both perspectives and so can she but, for me at least, the immigration debate has always been about having some control of quality and quantity. For far too long we've had/exercised neither and it's perfectly obvious where that has led us. Whilst the politicians and economists might like to see an ever increasing GDP, achieving it through population growth as opposed to productivity isn't the answer. We simply can't keep adding 1m people to the total every 3 years and not expect there to be inreasing problems. That reality of population growth has to be faced sooner or later and I'd rather it didn't take increasing social unrest to do so.

Of course the facts do your fit your EU hate agenda. In the year ending March 2017, the EU net migration was currently 127,000. This, allied to the fact that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36449974

following amendments to The Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006 .

As things stand, EU citizens who come to the UK to find work cannot claim jobseeker's allowance during their first three months in the country.

After that they can claim for a total of 91 days, which can be split across several periods of jobseeking. They can continue claiming beyond that period if they can demonstrate that they are actively looking for a job and are likely to get it.

After a total of six months they can be removed if they still have not found a job, and have no realistic possibility of finding one, and require support from the welfare system.

These rules have been in place since early 2014, and are in line with existing EU legislation.

means that the whole line about:

Do we really want open borders to unskilled migrants who just come here to ride the benefits gravy train and steal and rob from our own citizens?

is a big Daily Mail style con trick

Originally Posted by ianch99

is a big Daily Mail style con trick

Oh really ?

So the four people who were mugged by Unskilled Romanian nationals about 200 yards from my own front door earlier this year never happened ?

I can show a mad face as well.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

Oh really ?

So the four people who were mugged by Unskilled Romanian nationals about 200 yards from my own front door earlier this year never happened ?

I can show a mad face as well.

No it's all right wing lies Mick, you should know that by now.

The irony is that in many of the former E European countries they've been only too glad that some of their less diligent, honest and decent countrymen have left to find richer pickings elsewhere. That's in large part what was behind the desire to 'assist' Roma to leave and go to the UK etc. They're not liked and not wanted by a good many people back home and my wife's family can testify to that.

Latest Update: No Deal on Ireland today (Might have something to do with the DUP Intervention)

How they thought that would fly with the DUP......

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

How they thought that would fly with the DUP......

Absolutely as that was a total non starter.

[Mr K]

Brexit deal or being in Government?? Maybe the swivel eyed loons can't have both.... Stuff the DUP and call an election

She would have been able to pass it without the DUP had she not called that General Election to strength her hand....

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

She would have been able to pass it without the DUP had she not called that General Election to strength her hand....

A bad decision as we know.