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Old 11-10-2016, 11:01   #16
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Or they don't want there competitors to know in advance when a area is going live
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Yes been on the sharp end of it for years hence my LOL
So have i 20 years in cable to be exact
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Exactly right.
BT publish their plans months or even years in advance.

Pointless being worried about what competitors may do. If the product's not going to sell well with competition it ends up more expensive for VM as they give the introductory discounts and pay for the installs then watch customers churn as the competition take measures to reclaim their punters.

If there's a fear the product can't stand up to competition the product needs some serious work.

I find it far more likely given my experience that until the street works go in and are approved there's no way VM can give any specific timescales so they avoid doing so. The work is considerably more complex than BT delivering FTTC.

There are streets here that have had tracks since February and are still not live. There are streets on the neighbouring estate that have had tracks since last year and are still not live. The MSAN and power distribution cabinets covering over 1,000 premises have been sitting there since March in one case and even earlier in the other doing nothing, one of them still has no power.
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BT publish their plans months or even years in advance.

Pointless being worried about what competitors may do. If the product's not going to sell well with competition it ends up more expensive for VM as they give the introductory discounts and pay for the installs then watch customers churn as the competition take measures to reclaim their punters.

If there's a fear the product can't stand up to competition the product needs some serious work.

I find it far more likely given my experience that until the street works go in and are approved there's no way VM can give any specific timescales so they avoid doing so. The work is considerably more complex than BT delivering FTTC.

There are streets here that have had tracks since February and are still not live. There are streets on the neighbouring estate that have had tracks since last year and are still not live. The MSAN and power distribution cabinets covering over 1,000 premises have been sitting there since March in one case and even earlier in the other doing nothing, one of them still has no power.
They will dig the streets and put the network in at a later date, this might be due to delays elsewhere but at least the construction is done, better it done than having contractors waiting around

The problem occurs when your competitors know your intentions and then blanket the area with discount tying customers in for 1-5yrs so your brand new network will sit there with little income due to the potential customers being tied into long contracts. So your network will not make money, seems sensible to me regardless of how good the product is.

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So have i 20 years in cable to be exact

20yrs myself.
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They will dig the streets and put the network in at a later date, this might be due to delays elsewhere but at least the construction is done, better it done than having contractors waiting around

The problem occurs when your competitors know your intentions and then blanket the area with discount tying customers in for 1-5yrs so your brand new network will sit there with little income due to the potential customers being tied into long contracts. So your network will not make money, seems sensible to me regardless of how good the product is.

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20yrs myself.
5 years ? lol what a load of tosh
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5 years ? lol what a load of tosh
Really? I was offered that deal last year as i had left and was on the 6mths free deal and was then offered this deal to keep me. As i had sold my Sky box a few weeks earlier i was then offered the Family pack half price for a year with a new Sky box installed
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Re: Project Lightning Silence...

I agree if competition finds out project lightning area's they will blanket the area with sales, this is a known fact and is why very little information is added.

BT is a different ball game as most upgrade area's for them they either already provide a service or there is no cable so all other companies will use the OpenReach network. A win win either way for BT.
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I agree if competition finds out project lightning area's they will blanket the area with sales, this is a known fact and is why very little information is added.

BT is a different ball game as most upgrade area's for them they either already provide a service or there is no cable so all other companies will use the OpenReach network. A win win either way for BT.
So what's stopping them from doing that when the streetworks hit the register?

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They will dig the streets and put the network in at a later date, this might be due to delays elsewhere but at least the construction is done, better it done than having contractors waiting around

The problem occurs when your competitors know your intentions and then blanket the area with discount tying customers in for 1-5yrs so your brand new network will sit there with little income due to the potential customers being tied into long contracts. So your network will not make money, seems sensible to me regardless of how good the product is.
I'm pretty sure the longest period anyone can be contracted is 3 years if you're a business. I'm not aware of any contracts over 18 months for consumers for right now, at least from the major players.

Surely when they dig the streets the competition will notice and 'blanket the area with discount' so doing the civils well in advance is a damn stupid thing to do?

Can't have it both ways. Either you keep it quiet until the last minute or you do the civils well in advance. I'd hope you see how these contradict each other if it's that big of a deal giving competitors a heads up. There's always going to be something for contractors to do and most local authorities will permit early starts if it's part of a larger programme.

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Just thinking some more are you guys aware that when an area is planned the customers who've signed up on Cable My Street get an email indicating it's on the way? There are roads here that won't be built out to for years that have had that email as the planning has been done. Not exactly the actions of a business obsessing over secrecy.
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The problem occurs when your competitors know your intentions and then blanket the area with discount tying customers in for 1-5yrs ...
Three-year contracts were banned by Ofcom over five years ago. https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...year-contracts
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So what's stopping them from doing that when the streetworks hit the register?

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I'm pretty sure the longest period anyone can be contracted is 3 years if you're a business. I'm not aware of any contracts over 18 months for consumers for right now, at least from the major players.

Surely when they dig the streets the competition will notice and 'blanket the area with discount' so doing the civils well in advance is a damn stupid thing to do?

Can't have it both ways. Either you keep it quiet until the last minute or you do the civils well in advance. I'd hope you see how these contradict each other if it's that big of a deal giving competitors a heads up. There's always going to be something for contractors to do and most local authorities will permit early starts if it's part of a larger programme.

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Just thinking some more are you guys aware that when an area is planned the customers who've signed up on Cable My Street get an email indicating it's on the way? There are roads here that won't be built out to for years that have had that email as the planning has been done. Not exactly the actions of a business obsessing over secrecy.
The construction side will probably be done advance for small infill areas not not major towns and cities.

As for the contract i was surprised when offered it as i hadn't heard of anyone having that type of contract. I didn't take it at the time so who knows if it was a genuine offer?

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Three-year contracts were banned by Ofcom over five years ago. https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...year-contracts
Don't tell me tell Sky, i was offered that so can only comment on what i was offered
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how can u check what areas will be having this?
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Don't tell me tell Sky, i was offered that so can only comment on what i was offered
Now stop being silly .. its a serious debate
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how can u check what areas will be having this?
If you mean the build full stop you can't.

If you mean FTTP it will be 'brand new customers only'. More specifically new areas rather than smaller in-fill builds of streets near existing network.
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