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Old 28-01-2017, 21:19   #196
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Hope you get it sorted Taf.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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I'm really sorry to hear that Taf, it is a horrible situation to be in and to get out of when it comes to these crazy decisions. My brother has just been through it and only got 2 points from the assessment interview, but then went through the appeal process and won it, so don't give up hope.

For others going through it or about to I know from experience that it doesn't matter what you put on the forms, if you can't back it up with evidence then you will get called up for an assessment and most probably fail it just because you turn up. And likewise if you can supply as much evidence as possible there's a chance you won't need an assessment.

I don't know if it is a standard procedure but I get a copy of the report every time I see one of my specialists / consultants. These are vital when supplying evidence. So if you don't get reports, then just ask for them. If you see your GP a lot then you can pay to get a copy of your medical records / reports and you can pick out and send them the relevant info as well to help your case.

As already been said, make sure you get everything dated so if and when you do get it sorted, you should get everything backdated without losing out too much.

The hardest part is that there is only one telephone number for ESA etc now, so you never get to speak to the same person twice, and to actually get through to someone ends up costing a small fortune and they don't seem to be very helpful either.

Good luck with it, do not give up.
A lot of the numbers for benefits are now 0345, which if you have a package on landline which covers you calling 01 and 02 numbers during the day 03 numbers are covered too. Likewise, on a mobile contract the call gets taken out of your inclusive minutes.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Just get the letter done and send it special delivery then ring to check they've got it. I can understand how you're feeling but nobody's appeal is going to be rejected down to an argument over a couple of days here/there when everyone knows how slowly DSS stuff takes to be sent out and delivered. You should cover yourself by contacting them ASAP and explaining when you received the letter to buy yourself a bit more time if you need it.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/be...consideration/
In my experience the letter must be received by the DWP within the specified time period. Common sense, decency or empathy don't come into it.

If it is not, this would require a second appeal.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I have draughted the letter, just tweaking it a bit now. I have been advised to be concise but accurate, but cover all points in dispute (almost all of them).

The only part giving me a severe headache is the "how far can you walk" question. It's like answering the question "how long is a piece of string?" as there are so many variables. I tried to explain on the original form that his walking distance is impossible to quantify, and according to their rules cannot be "reliable" i.e. repeated as and when required.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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The lad hasn't seen a GP for his disabilities ever, and no specialist has seen him since he entered "Adult Service" (budget cuts). The last time he saw a GP was over a year ago for a minor ailment. Plus our GP has changed so often in the past few years that there is no continuity of "personal Knowledge" at all.

Still waiting on the DWP phone to answer.

---------- Post added at 12:45 ---------- Previous post was at 12:36 ----------

The PIP letter has a write up (by a male despite his being interviewed by a very young woman) that reads like it was written by a 10 year old.

The report says they cannot consider his problems with shopping, shaving or walking on uneven surfaces and slopes. And because he moved 10 paces from the waiting area to the interview room he is considered fully mobile!
Read this and feel so angry I feel compelled to reply, I cannot think of a word how you must be feeling.

When I won my last DLA tribunal case, I had a similar reasoning given by the assessor, because I managed to get from my front door to my living room, I was assumed able to walk 200m (safely and without pain). I drawn out a map of my flat, put a scale of distances next to it which I got by measuring the length of my flat and so forth, took a photo of my front door as the assessor claimed was 3 steps (is one step). I had discredited the assessor completely and with my medical evidence supplied at the hearing they said was a no brainer and was angry at the DWP for wasting time and money by refusing my claim. Sadly these tribunals cannot do things like fine the DWP which would discourage them from this practice, all they can do is award to the claimant what they entitled to. There will always be people who wont bother appealing and of course not all appeals are won so the DWP will keep treating people like this as it saves them money. The wasted money on the civil tribunal service is out of another budget so they dont care about that.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I have read and reread the PIP award letter, and it just doesn't make sense. And it refers to "informal observation". Spying? "You were seen to be operating a mobile phone"... he put it in his pocket before we entered the building, and did not get it out for ages after we'd left. "You said you had money in your pocket, and therefore can budget and know how much change to receive".... neither of us remember a question about money?

Both highlighted for a response, but I doubt that will happen.

The lad's PIP review request has been sent. And I immediately thought "maybe I should have worded that bit differently?"

No time scale on when they have to react, so it's nail-biting time again.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

yep they are allowed to make assumptions to get the decision they want instead of using facts (DWP that is, tribunals wont be so sided). It is a rigged system sadly built to allow them to achieve financial/political targets.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Sorry to hear about your lads PIP decision Taf lets hope they see sense and give him the award. (You said you had money in your pocket, and therefore can budget and know how much change to receive") in my opinion this is guess work and not fact. How do they know that? I mean this money could have been given to your son for example his bus fare therefore he had the exact money to get there and back. How would they know this is not the case when they did not ask!
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

When my brother failed their assessment his money stopped just about straight away. When he won his appeal it took them 5 months to reinstate his money. Okay it was backdated, but it was a really tough 5 months till he got it. The DWP are totally useless in every aspect.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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When my brother failed their assessment his money stopped just about straight away. When he won his appeal it took them 5 months to reinstate his money. Okay it was backdated, but it was a really tough 5 months till he got it. The DWP are totally useless in every aspect.
Yes, my son's money stops after 4 weeks (dated from the date of their letter, not the date we got it of course). Ditto free car tax, so I'll have to put a SORN on the car rather than pay for all of February instead of the last week only. And the Carers Allowance stops too of course. £8 too much in private pensions means no Income Support, full rent and poll tax. So we lose £62.10 in Carers Allowance but have to pay £392 in rent and poll tax per month. A £700+ pa hole in our finances all told.
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Yes, my son's money stops after 4 weeks (dated from the date of their letter, not the date we got it of course). Ditto free car tax, so I'll have to put a SORN on the car rather than pay for all of February instead of the last week only. And the Carers Allowance stops too of course. £8 too much in private pensions means no Income Support, full rent and poll tax. So we lose £62.10 in Carers Allowance but have to pay £392 in rent and poll tax per month. A £700+ pa hole in our finances all told.
It's ridiculous and the whole system ISA mess. Advice agencies have been overwhelmed with requests for help, I hope you go on to appeal and get it sorted out.

Yesterdays Victoria Derbyshire show had an item on this- the DWP response was to say that everything was fine and that customer satisfaction was 93%!

It won't get any better as the limit to two children for most people starts in April, as do the cuts to Widowed Parents Allowance:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08d8h91

It's at about 1:07 if anyone wants further details.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Not PIP itself but looks like the tax office has stepped in to fix the mess of tax credits with loads of people having money stopped for stupid reasons like supposedly been married to someone who died 30 years ago. The usual pattern of course with the private company claiming they had no targets yet in the same statement justified their actions by saying they saved 100s of millions from stopped tax credits, that to me shouts out that their remit was to cut the number of claimants.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

A neighbour told me this morning that his (19 year old) son lost his DLA to PIP tribunal. Points had been increased but not enough to qualify. He's going for a legal review now, but has to pay his own lawyer and costs.

As suspected his ESA (WRAG) has been stopped too, the same day as his DLA, and he has to sign on for Jobseekers Allowance.

Also stopped is Carers Allowance for his mother, Disabled Parking Badge, free Car Tax and Disabled Bus Pass.

The loss of the Bus Pass alone will cost his son £13 per week, so his voluntary work for a charity will have to end. But he will have to spend so many hours per week at the Jobcentre that that was probable anyway.
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I know this will fall on deaf ears but!!!!

I voted Brexit, its going to happen and when it happens I know that the British government will have 100% control of its budget,

I and millions of other brexit voters first priority is to look after you and your son!!!! It will be up to you and me and millions like us to force our leaders to do as WE tell them.

Hang tight, change is coming, no more EU nonsense.. Brexit voters are not vile racists, they just want want too catch the British people that are falling behind and no one seems to care about!!!!
Infact some of you are hating the very people that only want to help you. crazy old world...

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