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Old 17-03-2017, 21:47   #826
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Can a US president be impeached for being insane, or is that a loophole in the Constitution?

'Not repeat the accusation' very big of them, we should grow a pair and demand a total retraction, or he doesn't​ get to visit Queenie (bet she's really looking forward​ to it too...)
One of the amendments covers this, might be, might be 26 of the top of my head and it nearly happened to reagan twice apparently, once when he was shot, understandably and again after iran contra when he got depressed and lazy

Or it might be the 25th amendment...
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Can a US president be impeached for being insane, or is that a loophole in the Constitution?

'Not repeat the accusation' very big of them, we should grow a pair and demand a total retraction, or he doesn't​ get to visit Queenie (bet she's really looking forward​ to it too...)
Well, if we're still gagging to be at the front of the queue for a trade deal with the US, we'd better keep quiet.
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Old 18-03-2017, 00:13   #828
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'Not repeat the accusation' very big of them, we should grow a pair and demand a total retraction, or he doesn't​ get to visit Queenie (bet she's really looking forward​ to it too...)
They did not make the accusation in the first place, FFS, open up your eyes.
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Old 18-03-2017, 10:03   #829
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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They did not make the accusation in the first place, FFS, open up your eyes.
Why repeat an unfounded accusation in the first place?

Trump is just doubling down when challenged - he is the President of the USA, not a 6 year old; he needs to start behaving like a President, not a bad tempered child who lashes out when disagreed with.

Spicer said they had evidence - none has been given to the Committees who asked for it (repeating something someone said on TV is not evidence).
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Old 18-03-2017, 10:12   #830
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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They did not make the accusation in the first place, FFS, open up your eyes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39300191
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The US has agreed not to repeat claims the UK's communications intelligence agency wiretapped Donald Trump during the presidential election campaign
Opening your eyes up is top advice Mick.
Using Fox News as Donald's 'intell' doesn't seem to be working out. Doh!
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Opening your eyes up is top advice Mick.
Using Fox News as Donald's 'intell' doesn't seem to be working out. Doh!
Trump's strategy to date of repeating lies that suit him (like Obama's birth country) and decrying negative news as "fake news" has served him well. As we've seen from forum posters here in the UK, there's plenty of people who will happily follow his lead on issues when the evidence points in the opposite direction.

Why do intelligent people do this? People have invested a lot of emotion and reputation in Trump and if they stop defending him, then they need to rethink their entire beliefs system.... and that's a big deal. Easier to go along with another Trump lie than to rethink their whole beliefs. They can convince themselves that they are not jumping to conclusions but waiting for the evidence. Trump labelling reliable sources as biased aids this approach as they will just ignore a lot of the evidence. When the contradicting evidence does arrive, if people haven't forgotten about it, Trump will find a way of spinning it away, usually in a passive-aggressive manner. For example, his comments on Obama's birth certificate that suggested some people still felt it didn't look real.

So far, this approach has worked well for Trump so he has continued to deploy it. But this wire-tapping allegation seems to be one step too far. He's dragging in the UK, he's dragging in the Constitution, he's dragging in a popular ex-President and he's dragging in the security services. He's up to his neck in it and for once, I can't see an easy way out for him.
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Old 18-03-2017, 12:14   #832
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Opening your eyes up is top advice Mick.
Using Fox News as Donald's 'intell' doesn't seem to be working out. Doh!
I do not need to open my eyes because I am right!!! You open your eyes, they were quoting Fox News, they did not make the accusations themselves.

Trump has made NO opinion on the matter or any such public statement blaming GCHQ, if you can find it, be my guest.

If you read the bloody statement from GCHQ yesterday, they made no mention of the White House blaming them, they quoted the Fox commentator as making the accusation. So again Mr K, you're wrong, like so many other things, like Brexit for instance.
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I do not need to open my eyes because I am right!!! You open your eyes, they were quoting Fox News, they did not make the accusations themselves.

Trump has made NO opinion on the matter or any such public statement blaming GCHQ, if you can find it, be my guest.

If you read the bloody statement from GCHQ yesterday, they made no mention of the White House blaming them, they quoted the Fox commentator as making the accusation. So again Mr K, you're wrong, like so many other things, like Brexit for instance.
Why the bad language Mick, that doesn't make for good debate?
Trump did say "I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!"
That's Trump expressing an opinion isn't it?
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...863360?lang=en
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Old 18-03-2017, 13:27   #834
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Mick is referring to the specific allegation that GCHQ tapped the phone. It's true that Trump never made that accusation himself, it was Fox News and even then a pundit and not a journalist (it wasn't presented as news). However the White House did magnify the accusation way beyond what it deserved by repeating it in an official press conference. They should apologise for that.
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Old 18-03-2017, 13:46   #835
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Mick is referring to the specific allegation that GCHQ tapped the phone. It's true that Trump never made that accusation himself, it was Fox News and even then a pundit and not a journalist (it wasn't presented as news). However the White House did magnify the accusation way beyond what it deserved by repeating it in an official press conference. They should apologise for that.
Understand.
Isn't Melania Trump suing the Daily Mail for reporting allegations another media source made against her? If so, he should know better.
Do Presidents not get an induction course?
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Mick is referring to the specific allegation that GCHQ tapped the phone. It's true that Trump never made that accusation himself, it was Fox News and even then a pundit and not a journalist (it wasn't presented as news). However the White House did magnify the accusation way beyond what it deserved by repeating it in an official press conference. They should apologise for that.
Interestingly, only last month the President stated
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“I'm against the people that make up stories and make up sources,” Trump said Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in National Harbor, Md. “They shouldn't be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody's name.”
This month, the White House spokesman quoted someone who used anonymous sources
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Mr Spicer had earlier repeated claims that Mr Obama used GCHQ to spy on Mr Trump before he became president.

"He’s able to get it and there’s no American fingerprints on it," Mr Spicer said of the intelligence supposedly provided to Mr Obama by Britain.

"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command – he didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI and he didn't use the Department of Justice – he used GCHQ."
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Old 18-03-2017, 19:58   #837
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Interestingly, only last month the President stated This month, the White House spokesman quoted someone who used anonymous sources
So that's two different people saying two different things... Not one person.
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So that's two different people saying two different things... Not one person.
Really?

Spicer is the President's official Press Secretary and Communications Director, putting forward the President's views and position on matters - are you trying to say that Spicer doesn't do what his boss, the President, says?

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...the Press Secretary having three constituents to respond to, but one boss: the President...

...As the official spokesperson for an administration, he or she is the person who presents Presidential information to many audiences, including the public, his special publics in Washington, and governments of nations around the globe.

People look to the President for comment and it is the Press Secretary who most often presents it. While the President may be seen daily in official settings making formal presentations, it is the Press Secretary who daily delivers for the White House official comment and response to events and criticism as well as delivers messages through individual reporters and news organizations.

The Press Secretary’s role involves meeting the needs of reporters in order to be an effective spokesperson for the President.
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Why repeat an unfounded accusation in the first place?

Trump is just doubling down when challenged - he is the President of the USA, not a 6 year old; he needs to start behaving like a President, not a bad tempered child who lashes out when disagreed with.

Spicer said they had evidence - none has been given to the Committees who asked for it (repeating something someone said on TV is not evidence).
It's bizarre, throw your most special of allies under the bus to deflect a few awkward questions that were of your own making. I hoped he was going to be amusing but God knows how he'll react when something serious happens, think I'll adapt and adopt GCHQ'S advice that he's rediculous and ignore him for a while.
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It's bizarre, throw your most special of allies under the bus to deflect a few awkward questions that were of your own making. I hoped he was going to be amusing but God knows how he'll react when something serious happens, think I'll adapt and adopt GCHQ'S advice that he's rediculous and ignore him for a while.
When Trump said we were at the front of the queue he meant front of the queue for being a scapegoat!

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So that's two different people saying two different things... Not one person.
Unbelieveable. They act as one.

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