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Old 21-08-2017, 11:10   #16
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

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G.fast's major limitation is range. I have a pod on my cabinet and it's no use to me as I'm about 150m from the cabinet in a straight line but about 500m of cable.

As it uses higher frequencies than the current FTTC / VDSL services it attenuates away more quickly too. If you aren't getting full 80/20 on FTTC you aren't going to benefit from G.fast.
That's not strictly true. It's true if the G.fast pod is in the cab, but isn't the entire point of G.fast that they move that pod closer to the premises? In the same vein that your ADSL speed (based on distance to the exchange) was not indicative of your FTTC speed, as the distances are very different, with mostly winners but the occasional loser.
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Old 22-08-2017, 18:54   #17
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

Well those prices are good for you. For some reason I'm charged £55 odd for 200 Vivid Gamer & Phone. Now it is going up I'll be charged £58 odd. NO WAY for me. So I'll be downgrading. What is the best for me..100mb or 70mb..Was on 100mb before I upgraded on an 18 month contract. Fed Up with VM....Cheers.
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Old 22-08-2017, 19:05   #18
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

If you downgrade to 100Mbps, your upload will be only 6Mbps. Will that upload speed matter to you?
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Old 22-08-2017, 19:44   #19
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Well those prices are good for you. For some reason I'm charged £55 odd for 200 Vivid Gamer & Phone. Now it is going up I'll be charged £58 odd. NO WAY for me. So I'll be downgrading. What is the best for me..100mb or 70mb..Was on 100mb before I upgraded on an 18 month contract. Fed Up with VM....Cheers.
70Mb tier is only for those that were on 50 and got the free upgrade. You can't downgrade to that, only 100 IIRC.

There is a 50mb tier as a holding offer.
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

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That's not strictly true. It's true if the G.fast pod is in the cab, but isn't the entire point of G.fast that they move that pod closer to the premises?
That was the point of G.fast, however BT are using it as a cabinet-based technology.

There are no plans to use deeper fibre in the network until at least 2020. BT can hit their >100Mb coverage targets and tick the boxes without spending the extra on fibre and power.
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

Unfortunately Virgin Media is the only broadband I can really get. We were with Sky broadband for a little bit but there is something broken with the wiring in the house and only the cable works properly.

That is the problem when you live in a house that is over 150 years old and hasn't the wiring done for decades.
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Old 22-08-2017, 21:39   #22
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That was the point of G.fast, however BT are using it as a cabinet-based technology.

There are no plans to use deeper fibre in the network until at least 2020. BT can hit their >100Mb coverage targets and tick the boxes without spending the extra on fibre and power.
It's still mainly in trials, isn't it?
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

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It's still mainly in trials, isn't it?
It's in 'pilot' stage - early commercial deployment. A bunch of nodes will be released either next month or October.

They did actually test a variety of deployments, underground, on poles, fibre to the remote node, intercepting lines at a junction point, and fibre to the distribution point, fibre to the last point carrying multiple lines, but settled on deploying G.fast at the cabinet for cost and speed of deployment.
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Old 26-08-2017, 19:49   #24
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

It does seem a bit odd to spend a load of money getting fibre to the cabinets, then spend a load more extending it only a few hundred feet to the poles. Hopefully they do the sensible thing after rolling g.fast out to the cabinets: start to plan FTTH proper.
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

My sky and by are both out of contract so I was considering a switch to virgin.
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Old 27-08-2017, 10:30   #26
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

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It does seem a bit odd to spend a load of money getting fibre to the cabinets, then spend a load more extending it only a few hundred feet to the poles. Hopefully they do the sensible thing after rolling g.fast out to the cabinets: start to plan FTTH proper.

It's often not just a few hundred feet. My parents have FTTC and the distance to the cabinet is 1000m, so fibre deeper into the network would help in situations like that.

As you say FTTH Is the better option for performance.
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

Are you sure about the 1000m? The attenuation on coax would exceed limits and would destroy the higher frequencies.

Fibre deeper into the network (I.e. To the daisy-chained cabs or at least to the launch cab) would assist with noise reduction but not with the 1000m problem.
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

This was about VDSL & G.Fast technology and not VM.
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Re: Virgin Broadband still worth it?

Ah OK. FTTC is a total bad value shambles in my view that only the desperate (those without access to VM) would need to subscribe to.
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Ah OK. FTTC is a total bad value shambles in my view that only the desperate (those without access to VM) would need to subscribe to.
Did you say that with a straight face? I would always choose a FTTC option over Virgin Media, simply because VM always has always had congestion and latency issues that plague it's customers. In fact, I would rather go with a 4G option than take choose VM again.Far from desperate or without access to VM. Funny stuff Seph!
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