June 8th General Election

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

You're always being one sided Mr K. i.e. not telling the whole story or just telling a part that suits your negative agenda.

JeIRAmy has changed his mind several times. He did a U-Turn on the debate the other night by saying he would now go. He has changed his mind and now wants to leave single market which will end free movement of people. It's also being said he would do a deal with SNP to form a coalition in the event of a hung parliament.

Lots of people think he will ditch Trident if he was to win. Thornberry has said in a tv interview recently that Trident could still be placed under review. That did not go down well with Jezza.

But deary deary me, all these promises, to buy votes. IRAbour will not be able to afford but he will plough us in to a recession either way. Because if he wins, companies are being hit with a double whammy, increases in Corporation Tax and being forced to pay workers £10 an hour.

We all have our opinions Mick, which are usually balanced out by others. I'm not the BBC, this is a forum. If anything the bias is to the right here, given the poll in this thread compared to national figures.

However your posts are always even handed can be seen from above

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Interesting poll from the Evening Standard just come out, and the reasons given for Labours surge

CON 45%(-4), LAB 40%(+6), LDEM 7%(nc)

“Women and middle-aged voters are punishing Theresa May following controversies over the “dementia tax” and school meals, an exclusive poll reveals today.
The Ipsos MORI research for the Evening Standard reveals significant shifts to Labour among women and the 35-54 age group — the “pinched generation” juggling caring for ageing parents and their own children.
Today’s survey, the first full Ipsos MORI telephone poll since just before the manifesto launch, shows the Tories still suffering from their wobble as Labour narrow the gap to just five points — a quarter of the lead Mrs May enjoyed before campaigning began.”

[denphone]

Opinion polls are there for those who want to believe them but the real poll is in 6 days time which no one can argue with even though there should have not been a bloody election in the first place IMO..

Scottish voters: here's your essential guide for getting the Nat oot.

Originally Posted by Mr K

We all have our opinions Mick, which are usually balanced out by others. I'm not the BBC, this is a forum. If anything the bias is to the right here, given the poll in this thread compared to national figures.

However your posts are always even handed can be seen from above

My posts are within the rules. Problem with some folk is the see my name in red and think, admin, he/she not entitled to his opinion. Wrong.

As for the poll, I think you're being quite obtuse here. This poll was started weeks ago. So less of the bias accusations.

[tweetiepooh]

The Christian Institute have produced a briefing “AN ANALYSIS OF PARTY POLICIES ON ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE TO CHRISTIANS”

They are not there to support any party or candidate but do highlight where the parties (and leaders in some cases) stand on issues that Christians may think important.

Please take this in the spirit of the posting, I know there are those who would look at some factors mentioned as objectionable and some would take this as a guide on parties to avoid/support for opposing reasons to that intended. It is a document from a Christian organisation and does have a Biblical bias.

[broadbandking]

The only thing that gets me is May has not outlined any policy where it will benefit anyone, all her policies will have a negative effect on people i.e No more free school meals, bring back fox hunting and tax on care at home, the triple lock system been tossed a side, winter fuel allowance (may not so much the last one because they haven't given a limit on how much you can earn before they remove allowance), she seems to be a little maggie trying to rule with an iron fist but I really hope she loses and for that reason my vote has change but not to Labour.

It's pretty obvious that May, along with many people including myself to be honest, thought she would win so easily and with such a large majority that she wouldn't really have to campaign much and could design a manifesto to make government easier rather than to win votes. I didn't expect them to so brazenly take that for granted though, I think that perception is more damaging than the act itself. As I said before it's showing open contempt for the electorate.

That said she'll win and I think quite convincingly. I don't believe the polls have picked up a sudden surge of support for Labour, at best this is probably Labour stockpiling votes in places like London rather than in any marginals.

But I think she has chucked away a lot of goodwill and popularity in this campaign. Her leadership rankings have tanked:

[heero_yuy]

With Corbyn's liebour offering a socialist utopia the gullible have taken it down hook, line and sinker. Even if it means paying triple the council tax*.

If they get in it's Venezuela all the way. You'll be queuing for toilet paper at the end of five years. We'll be in Oz.

*Carefully hidden away in their manifesto, a change to tax land rather than property.

I am not in anyway trying to justify the policy of the social care issue and 'Dementia Tax' as people are calling it.

Having worked in the health care sector, it costs a bloody lot of money to put someone with Dementia in a care home that is setup directly for people with the disease. You are talking in some homes, £700, Per Week. These fees are not set by government, as a lot of care homes are run privately, they can still be capped at local level, i.e depending on CQC inspection reports, if it is seen that a home is not running a top notch service, social services may only agree to pay so much, basically some landlords, with no care experience, buy these homes and hire staff to manage them, all they care about is filling the voids.

Now in a ever increasing older people population, the amount of the older generation that needs care is increasing to unsustainable levels, the government says in the future there will be 2 Million more older people requiring care, £700 per week, per person with dementia is a lot of money for the state to cough up.

When my Grandma was ill with dementia, almost 22 years ago, my dad fought tooth and nail to get her in to a care home, she ended up in hospital and she had a series of bad mini strokes which then started killing off parts of her brain, so was later diagnosed with Multi-Infarct Dementia. She lost the capacity to care for herself, I was summoned one day to the A and E dept at my local hospital and, basically, my gran was just wandering in all the other cubicles, she then went in one of them started pulling down her underwear and started urinating on a chair, it was very upsetting to see and I could not deal with it and asked someone to please help her.

However, the next day, with her having absolutely no capacity to help herself, the hospital sent her home, which was only a Warden controlled complex !!! My father who worked full time, had to literally stop his life to care for her for a while, which my Grandma, had she been able to have the capacity to make an informed choice, would never have wanted that to happen, so she ended up in a Respite care home, but she did not live long after this and in a way, this was a blessing because she never recovered, she never got better and we had actually lost the person, we loved just 6 months prior to this, it all happened really fast to be honest. But what I am trying to say is, some kids care about what they can get after their parents pass away, it never really crosses my mind, I never think, that house my parents live in is mine or part of it is etc.

But some people are unable to stop their lives and they still have to work and make that horrible choice to place their parent in a care home, I saw the guilt in my dads face when he had to make that choice but he had to make that decision and some of my Grandma's assets had to pay for her care, the threshold was a lot lower then, like anything over £3,000 and people had to pay for their own care.

So I can see why they are doing it, but it's how they have gone about doing it.

[Mr K]

Found this interesting, top web hits on stories about UK election around the world:-

1. Ireland (only one that isn't a surprise)
2. Malta
3. Cyprus
4. New Zealand
5. Iceland
Lots of hits in Zimbabwe too !

Their own countries must be very boring or Google just make the figures up.

Lots of Brits live in Iceland, Malta, Cyprus, and NZ.

Icelanders were probably just bored, as there's only 334k of them (half the population of Leeds).

[Gary L]

Corbyn's cheers are getting louder.
LOL it's getting to the stage where he gets cheered for just showing his face.

Cons man facing criminal charges at this side of the election too.

My observations on Theresa is she starts answering a question and says "LOOK!" and then just stops answering the question and starts rambling.
(just like Dave did)

she tries to make everything she says into a winning speech.

she rambles on to kill time.

she wobbles a lot.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Corbyn's cheers are getting louder.
LOL it's getting to the stage where he gets cheered for just showing his face.

Cons man facing criminal charges at this side of the election too.

My observations on Theresa is she starts answering a question and says "LOOK!" and then just stops answering the question and starts rambling.
(just like Dave did)

she tries to make everything she says into a winning speech.

she rambles on to kill time.

she wobbles a lot.

All I have seen tonight is Corbyn waffle on. Dodged questions and more importantly is weak on defence. Putin must be praying for JeIRAmy to get in.

I think it's clear that although you can attempt to balance an audience young liberals are louder than older conservatives. Or maybe the insurgents, the challengers, are louder? Nats were louder in the Independence referendum debates and Leavers were louder in Brexit debates.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mick

All I have seen tonight is Corbyn waffle on. Dodged questions and more importantly is weak on defence. Putin must be praying for JeIRAmy to get in.

Double Russian hackers.