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Old 25-06-2017, 20:49   #271
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

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The sprinklers in new schools was never a law/rule, just an "expectation". Also it is a relatively recent thing and aimed mainly at protecting the building.

Don't fully get the focus on tower blocks. Other buildings are still at risk. A 6 storey building could just as easily be destroyed by having the insulation.
I suppose the thinking is that the higher up you are, the less chance you have of getting out safely.
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Old 25-06-2017, 21:08   #272
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I suppose the thinking is that the higher up you are, the less chance you have of getting out safely.
The distance from 1st floor to 6th floor is the same as from 6th to 11th or indeed from 11th to 16th. If a fire starts on the 1st floor it can still spread quickly up to the 6th with the insulation. The issue is the rapid spreading of fire. At Grenfell the fire started on the 4th floor and they couldn't contain it. Buildings under 18m are just as unsafe.
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Old 25-06-2017, 23:15   #273
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

You still have more chance of escaping safely if you are lower down.
For starters you can jump out of a window and be reasonable sure you will live, not so when you are 20 storeys up.
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You still have more chance of escaping safely if you are lower down.
For starters you can jump out of a window and be reasonable sure you will live, not so when you are 20 storeys up.
But that is not the reason for the 18m restriction. You are only expected to have to "jump" out from around 1st floor level. Higher than that and there has to be a safe "corridor" to escape.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

In the Grenfell fire, there was evidence of people knotting sheets up and making ropes with them.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

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Insurers warned of tower fire risk in month before Grenfell
The Association of British Insurers told ministers in May that outdated building regulations should be reviewed because they had failed to keep pace with modern construction methods, including the installation of flammable surfaces.
“External cladding made from combustible material can often cause significant fire to spread upwards and between buildings, which is a particular concern for areas of high building density,” the group said in its response to a consultation on housing policy.
The ABI warned that installing “large quantities” of such flammable materials increased “the probability of fire and potential scale of loss”.
https://www.ft.com/content/7f068c90-...8-8055f264aa8b
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You still have more chance of escaping safely if you are lower down.
For starters you can jump out of a window and be reasonable sure you will live, not so when you are 20 storeys up.
Thankfully we are right at the bottom of the 4 story block but l would still be very concerned about those on the first floor upwards still as half of them are elderly with a plethora of medical conditions and all the restrictiveness that comes from that.
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In the Grenfell fire, there was evidence of people knotting sheets up and making ropes with them.
I never found out if the guy found doing that on video survived or not. I am not sure how practical the idea is, can knotted bed sheets sustained the weight of a grown man assuming it's well secured at the other end? If it did then theoretically he seemed low enough down that he could descend to a height whereby the drop wouldn't kill you.
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I never found out if the guy found doing that on video survived or not. I am not sure how practical the idea is, can knotted bed sheets sustained the weight of a grown man assuming it's well secured at the other end? If it did then theoretically he seemed low enough down that he could descend to a height whereby the drop wouldn't kill you.
IIRC the Mythbusters did this when proving jail-break methods.
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I never found out if the guy found doing that on video survived or not. I am not sure how practical the idea is, can knotted bed sheets sustained the weight of a grown man assuming it's well secured at the other end? If it did then theoretically he seemed low enough down that he could descend to a height whereby the drop wouldn't kill you.
There was an eye witness that was interviewed after the event that claimed to have done that. Said he tied sheets together and climbed out and his wife handed over their child to him. Don't know if it was actually true though. It would have been very dangerous. In part to the pieces of the cladding falling down.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

Government fire investigators reported cladding 'risks' in 2016.

http://news.sky.com/story/government...-2016-10928193
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There was an eye witness that was interviewed after the event that claimed to have done that. Said he tied sheets together and climbed out and his wife handed over their child to him. Don't know if it was actually true though. It would have been very dangerous. In part to the pieces of the cladding falling down.
In a situation like that people will take any risk to escape. Would it have been more dangerous than staying put?
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Government fire investigators reported cladding 'risks' in 2016.

http://news.sky.com/story/government...-2016-10928193
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With the exception of one or two unfortunate cases, there is currently no evidence from BRE Global's fire investigations for DCLG to suggest that current building regulation recommendations, to limit vertical fire spread up the exterior of high rise buildings, are failing in their purpose."
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You mean this bit?
Providing the recommendations have been followed. There is supposed to be a fire break installed in the cladding between floors to prevent upward spread of fire.

If this was done at Grenfell or not is a matter of conjecture but will come out in the investigation.

Sales of the cladding have been stopped globally.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

Oh look it appears 100's of fire doors were found to be missing from some of Labour run Camden's tower blocks during recent safety checks. How could this possibly be? We've been told that the serious safety issues which have come to a head with the Grenfell disaster were somehow a Tory conspiracy to endanger the poor and needy and clearly no Labour council or government would ever do anything which endangered public safety...

https://order-order.com/2017/06/26/h...camden-blocks/

What's Camden's excuse going to be I wonder. Typically the loony left hypocrites have nothing to say about their own failings but don't mind bandying around terms like 'murder' when Tories are the target...

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