12 MP Party Departures

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Only in their relative constituencies. What if the constituency voted remain originally? Clutching at straws again?

Each can be compared to respective results from 2016. It may be that there’d be no shift which is why they’d not bet their salary/a proportion of MP pension on it.

You should have put in bold if not however.

I can’t be considered to be clutching at straws when presenting both sides, and calling them spineless.

Pip, jfman.

Unless you want to be taking a 1 day break, quit with the snipes at each other.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Mick

And again the crux of the issue, that Angua seems to be conveniently missing is that each of the current 11 defectors have expressed a view that there should be a peoples vote, a 2nd EU Referendum, because there is now apparently new information, well defecting to a new political party, because you no longer support it's manifesto commitments that they were elected on, is a significant change and piece of new information, there should be a peoples vote, in the form of by-elections.

We now have 11 MPs currently not representing their constituencies, that they got elected on.

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Um, which is exactly what the current 11 are doing.

They have not "crossed the house" to another party. They have yet to set up their own party. All they are is independents, which is standard practice for any MP who has the whip withdrawn, or those who resign the party whip.

Convoluted and strange though the rules of parliament are, these MPs do not have to vacate their seats if they do not wish to.

Previous MPs who have resigned to stand again, have been individuals on a solo quest to make a point, needing a by-election to campaign on. These are 8 Labour MPs and 3 Tory MPs who feel their respective parties have deserted them for various reasons, but who feel they cannot desert their constituents or the country.

The 11 MPs have deserted the country. A country that voted for Brexit.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The 11 MPs have deserted the country. A country that voted for Brexit.

Lol, they're not being accused of throwing in their lot with Russia, they've just left their previous parties in the same way that Nigel Farage left UKIP. Their views on Brexit have not altered and neither have Farage's.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Lol, they're not being accused of throwing in their lot with Russia, they've just left their previous parties in the same way that Nigel Farage left UKIP. Their views on Brexit have not altered and neither have Farage's.

Farage is not an MP, no idea why Russia has been mentioned. Do stay on topic.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Angua

These are 8 Labour MPs and 3 Tory MPs who feel their respective parties have deserted them for various reasons, but who feel they cannot desert their constituents or the country.

I'm stupid enough to say that these MPs have been throwing spanners into Brexit since day one

I like being stupid, it gets me through the day

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Carth

I'm stupid enough to say that these MPs have been throwing spanners into Brexit since day one

I like being stupid, it gets me through the day

Their voting record does not really back this up.

Since the war something like 69 MPs have switched from one party to another, with only four triggering a by-election for their new party, plus one standing as an independent.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by denphone

There should be By-Elections end of...

But Corbyn himself has stated that you vote for an MP not a Party or a Leader.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-de...orbyn-11643512

Funny how he has changed his point of view.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Pierre

But Corbyn himself has stated that you vote for an MP not a Party or a Leader.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-de...orbyn-11643512

Funny how he has changed his point of view.

Its so typical of politicians as they contradict themselves by saying one thing and then further down the road they say exactly the opposite.

[mrmistoffelees]

Ian Austin quits Labour....

UPDATE: Currently has no plans to join the independents

[denphone]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ian Austin quits Labour....

You can rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic but the end result is still the same...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

The irony is if any of these folk had the courage of their convictions months ago we could have had 11 separate by-elections they could have treated as a proxy-Brexit referendum.

It’d have no legal standing of course but could have demonstrated a clear shift in public opinion if they stood on a single issue. If they all won convincingly it’d have some weight. If not however...

As the "If not however ….." phrase is the case, what preceded it had less value. The "If not" bit embraces a number of variables that muddy the waters somewhat:

1. Did any or all of them think they could change things within their party?
2. Obviously the 7 had reached their tipping point this week.
3. Did the next 4 jump on the bandwagon or would they have done it anyway?
4. Would a by-election be a proxy vote on Brexit or Anti-Semitism?

The more serious problems in the Labour Party are Anti-Semitism, IMO, and the shift towards bully-enforced Marxism.

The serious problems in the Conservative Party are Brexit and social justice.

The aggregation of these rifts in the UK's core political parties show clearly that Parliamentary politics is broken. The question of by-elections as a proxy-referendum is moot, IMO.