Machete murder in Germany

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

What do you care? We are out of the EU and it's no longer anything we have to care about surely? We are safe within our own borders and we aren't going to have the same issues..We will control who comes here once we finally leave..Won't we?

What do I care?

Well only that Merkel's madness has affected the whole of Europe and will I believe further undermine it, especially when the time comes to disperse the less desirable element around the EU and try to remove those whose asylum claims are rejected like the Syrian guy who's just blown himself up having been refused asylum. Odd that it should happen so soon after my post eh?

Regardless of our trading status with the EU they are our nearest neighbours and we will never be unaffected by what goes on there no matter what the final result of the negotiations is. We ought to be far better able to control who comes here but our past glorious leaders have shown themselves to be either wholly or largely in favour of a virtually open door. Fingers crossed, May finally delivers what so many people clearly want but in the meantime the gates are still very open to assorted migrants/refugees amongst which there will be a proportion of intolerant religious zealots, criminals, budding terrorists and the like whose affect on our society will be highly corrosive.

We, of course, have our own problems here with vast numbers of migrants/refugees who it's taking far too long to process and deal with. That may be largely nothing to do with Merkel or the EU but if anyone thinks that what's happening in France, Germany, Belgium etc. isn't going to happen here sooner or later they're deluded IMHO. We've given false hope to a great many people and when they discover that everything isn't going to be quite as rosy as they expected we are going to pay a price and ironically it's not the failed decision makers who tend to get blown up, it's ordinary people who in large numbers didn't want any experiment with mass, uncontrolled migration in the first place

I'm not Donald Trump, seeking to give the impression that we can build a wall and it'll all go away. It won't and I've been saying that here for years. It's too late to prevent the damage which has been done within the UK, we can only hope to minimise the potential for further problems ad the sort of carnage which people are now reaping by way of thanks for Merkel's welcome.

We are clearly not safe from foreign terrorists/murders/religious zealots within our own borders because we've already been subject to the vast numbers which other EU states have only more recently been affected by. We've also succeeded in allowing a home grown variety to be spawned as we applied our values of tolerance to the religious extremism which was evident and growing. We will however be a bit safer if we are no part of a club which will ultimately allow the free movement the countless thousands who are going to be allowed to remain in the EU. I'd rather we had some control of who we let in as opposed to none.

With all due respect not all of that is down to being in the EU..A fair bit is to do with us always wanting to meddle where we shouldn't.

[Hom3r]

We are lucky that weapons and explosives are hard to come by.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

With all due respect not all of that is down to being in the EU..A fair bit is to do with us always wanting to meddle where we shouldn't.

With all due respect, where did I claim it was?

We, of course, have our own problems here with vast numbers of migrants/refugees who it's taking far too long to process and deal with. That may be largely nothing to do with Merkel or the EU

Clearly our glorious leaders have brought some of this upon us but that fact is no reason for us to let the worst happen in front of our eyes as some form of eternal penance. Nobody asked me if I wanted us to bomb Iraq, Syria or Libya. Did anyone ask you?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

With all due respect not all of that is down to being in the EU..A fair bit is to do with us always wanting to meddle where we shouldn't.

You are forgetting the "minor" little details of being aggressive and violent, when and where, nobody else was meddling or otherwise. All we've done is allowed those that were ALREADY deranged to be deranged here, rather than there.

Originally Posted by Osem

With all due respect, where did I claim it was?



Clearly our glorious leaders have brought some of this upon us but that fact is no reason for us to let the worst happen in front of our eyes as some form of eternal penance. Nobody asked me if I wanted us to bomb Iraq, Syria or Libya. Did anyone ask you?

I was going on your reference to Chancellor Merkel..

And no I didn't want to bomb any other countries..But being in the EU had nothing to do with the decision or the result..Plus it's not all down to us..Islamists decided unilaterally to attack us and the US and the EU for their own reasons..We just handed them more reasons to use as propaganda to use against us.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I was going on your reference to Chancellor Merkel..

And no I didn't want to bomb any other countries..But being in the EU had nothing to do with the decision or the result..Plus it's not all down to us..Islamists decided unilaterally to attack us and the US and the EU for their own reasons..We just handed them more reasons to use as propaganda to use against us.

So what has any of that to do with what I wrote? I mentioned Merkel since she opened the doors not that long ago and Germany is already paying the price - hence this thread about what's going on in Germany and my reference to her. I didn't blame her or the EU for what's been happening here since the days of Finsbury Park Mosque.

Having said that, we'd still be better off if we could detach ourselves from the huge migrant mess which is plain for all to see in Europe.