25-03-2015, 20:29
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Re: Email Tracking
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A) can you show me where it states it is illegal to stand outside your house filming?
B) Are you gaining consent for your email receipt requests, as stated under the PECR?
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A - This is your actual statement Hugh, not what you have said in "A". Not quite the same is it ?
"I hope you have no objection to people standing outside your house, videoing your every movement (and using infra-red for when you close your curtains), and then posting it on YouTube."
Now tell me it is not illegal, Check it with the Police if you like. I know the outcome. They would most likely put you on their Peeping Tom list of suspect characters.
B - I do not get receipts, I get a notification that my Email has been opened. and I do not legally need any consent for that.
You can of course jigger up your system in an endeavour to stop tracking, but you will risk losing vital Emails. You will be tracked and there is nothing you can do about it. Just relax, think of England and go with the flow.
Now I know what 2 Para and 14th Int thought of the Anglians.
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25-03-2015, 22:16
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Email Tracking
Why object to the filming, if you have nothing to hide?
Under PECR, yes, you do - you have put something on their equipment, which sends something back to you, and you need their consent for that.
I quite liked 2nd Royal Anglians - I lived in some of their MQs in Sakrower Kirchweg until a RAF MQ became available in Gatow; btw, I thought you had left before 14 Int was formed?
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25-03-2015, 23:29
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Re: Email Tracking
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Originally Posted by Wittmann
The sales people in the blog would not agree with your rather unrelated comment. They went WHOOPEE for tracking and so do I. Great innovation and enhancement to communications technology.
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OK but you've avoided answering the question.
Would you have any objections to me standing at your front room window and watching whatever was going on inside? A straightforward yes or no will do.
(by the way I'm not intending to turn up at your house)
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26-03-2015, 06:37
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Re: Email Tracking
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Originally Posted by Russ
OK but you've avoided answering the question.
Would you have any objections to me standing at your front room window and watching whatever was going on inside? A straightforward yes or no will do.
(by the way I'm not intending to turn up at your house)
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Read my post 76, it answers that question precisely.
It is a fairly stupid question in any case and has absolutely no connection with the legal art of Email tracking.
What is all the huff and puff about in any case ? Email tracking is here to stay on a grand and popular scale, whether you like it or not. Whatever your personal views, they will make no difference at all. Tracking will not just go away because you and a few others do not like it.
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26-03-2015, 09:22
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Re: Email Tracking
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Read my post 76, it answers that question precisely.
It is a fairly stupid question in any case and has absolutely no connection with the legal art of Email tracking.
What is all the huff and puff about in any case ? Email tracking is here to stay on a grand and popular scale, whether you like it or not. Whatever your personal views, they will make no difference at all. Tracking will not just go away because you and a few others do not like it.
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Not quite sure it is an art form ..
.. I hope email tracking will go away once the enough people are aware of it. Seems a simple addition to the privacy laws that govern IT. Just needs enough publicity to inform people that this kind of snooping can be done to them.
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26-03-2015, 09:28
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Re: Email Tracking
So we should all thank the OP for raising a subject many people won't be aware of and will now be able to complain loudly about thanks to his desire to promote such dubious services.
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26-03-2015, 09:47
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Re: Email Tracking
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Originally Posted by Wittmann
Read my post 76, it answers that question precisely.
It is a fairly stupid question in any case and has absolutely no connection with the legal art of Email tracking.
What is all the huff and puff about in any case ? Email tracking is here to stay on a grand and popular scale, whether you like it or not. Whatever your personal views, they will make no difference at all. Tracking will not just go away because you and a few others do not like it.
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Actually, the ICO has stated anyone wanting to use tracking has to gain the recipients' permission, and this is backed up by the DMA's guidance, as I posted earlier - so if people don't give their permission, it will have to 'go away', whether you like it or not.....
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26-03-2015, 09:51
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26-03-2015, 10:10
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Re: Email Tracking
I have nothing more to say on this subject other than what I have already said. My taking part in further argument on this matter is futile, tracking is here and is here to stay.
Whatever guidance is given by various bodies, it is only a guidance and makes not the slightest dent in the ever increasing popularity of tracking by individuals and commercial concerns worldwide.
Obtaining a receipt by decision of the recipient is reverting back to the gentleman and scholar attitude of Victoriana.
I rest my case.
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26-03-2015, 10:34
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No, it is the law, and if you don't do it, you are in breach of the PECR.
The DMA info is guidance on how to stay within the law. The ICO is telling what is required.
Just because you put your fingers in your ears and sing "lah lah la can't hear you la lah lah", doesn't change the fact you are in breach if you do not ask for permission.
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26-03-2015, 12:10
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Re: Email Tracking
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Originally Posted by Wittmann
Read my post 76, it answers that question precisely.
It is a fairly stupid question in any case and has absolutely no connection with the legal art of Email tracking.
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I don't call your views 'stupid', please have the courtesy to not do the same for mine.
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Now tell me it is not illegal, Check it with the Police if you like. I know the outcome. They would most likely put you on their Peeping Tom list of suspect characters
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Where does that say yes or no?
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26-03-2015, 12:53
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Re: Email Tracking
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Originally Posted by Wittmann
Hugh you are impossible and have obviously never been in the military. Over and out is used in field communications. But since you use films as the criterion for military terminology, keep on watching.
You do get everything wrong. I am not comparing myself with the military, the example was given in some desperate attempt to show you that to ask for a receipt from a target, is so stupid that it is barely worth my effort in quoting it since you did not get the message.
I am finished with this thread.
There is nothing you can say or do that will alter the widespread practice of Email tracking one iota. Enjoy your day. I have unsubscribed from this thread.
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Ok, yet...
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Originally Posted by Wittmann
I have nothing more to say on this subject other than what I have already said. My taking part in further argument on this matter is futile, tracking is here and is here to stay.
Whatever guidance is given by various bodies, it is only a guidance and makes not the slightest dent in the ever increasing popularity of tracking by individuals and commercial concerns worldwide.
Obtaining a receipt by decision of the recipient is reverting back to the gentleman and scholar attitude of Victoriana.
I rest my case.
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You persist.
Unsolicited tracking of your digital communication is illegal, just as it is illegal to track if you have opened and read your physical mail.
There's a big difference between someone confirming they have received a communication by the person itself (For example calling a bank to say you received a letter asking for a meeting with your bank manager) and your PC telling Tesco that you read their latest advertising e-mail at 10:44am on a Sunday in March, all without telling you and without the option to NOT tell Tesco thank you very much.
Also, I love how you call EU law "guidance". I mean I know we all love EU laws and stuff but hey, that's fun.
Also, I love how you deny that you receive read receipts, but then you get told that you do! Being notified that someone has opened their e-mail is the definition of a read receipt. Such an action, requires notification and consent and Outlook for example can block incoming read receipt requests. So, while you can quite legally ask for notification that I have opened your e-mail, I am fully, and legally allowed to refuse, and you would be none the wiser.
Again, if a system tracks how a user interacts with their communication, with no way to opt out or knowledge that this is happening then it is illegal. Throwing a huff and saying "lalala I'm not listening" does not change the law.
You do seem to have problems with anyone who challenges your views. Rather than accepting dissenting opinion and that people will have reasonable viewpoints based on evidence, you attempt to discredit them. When this fails you have resorted, repeatedly to try to silence people by saying that you've had enough as if nobody elses opinion even counts in your eyes.
Either enter a debate in good faith, or do not enter at all.
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26-03-2015, 13:47
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Re: Email Tracking
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Ok, yet...
You persist.
Unsolicited tracking of your digital communication is illegal, just as it is illegal to track if you have opened and read your physical mail.
There's a big difference between someone confirming they have received a communication by the person itself (For example calling a bank to say you received a letter asking for a meeting with your bank manager) and your PC telling Tesco that you read their latest advertising e-mail at 10:44am on a Sunday in March, all without telling you and without the option to NOT tell Tesco thank you very much.
Also, I love how you call EU law "guidance". I mean I know we all love EU laws and stuff but hey, that's fun.
Also, I love how you deny that you receive read receipts, but then you get told that you do! Being notified that someone has opened their e-mail is the definition of a read receipt. Such an action, requires notification and consent and Outlook for example can block incoming read receipt requests. So, while you can quite legally ask for notification that I have opened your e-mail, I am fully, and legally allowed to refuse, and you would be none the wiser.
Again, if a system tracks how a user interacts with their communication, with no way to opt out or knowledge that this is happening then it is illegal. Throwing a huff and saying "lalala I'm not listening" does not change the law.
You do seem to have problems with anyone who challenges your views. Rather than accepting dissenting opinion and that people will have reasonable viewpoints based on evidence, you attempt to discredit them. When this fails you have resorted, repeatedly to try to silence people by saying that you've had enough as if nobody elses opinion even counts in your eyes.
Either enter a debate in good faith, or do not enter at all.
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27-03-2015, 14:47
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Re: Email Tracking
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Originally Posted by Stop It
Ok, yet...
You persist.
Unsolicited tracking of your digital communication is illegal, just as it is illegal to track if you have opened and read your physical mail.
There's a big difference between someone confirming they have received a communication by the person itself (For example calling a bank to say you received a letter asking for a meeting with your bank manager) and your PC telling Tesco that you read their latest advertising e-mail at 10:44am on a Sunday in March, all without telling you and without the option to NOT tell Tesco thank you very much.
Also, I love how you call EU law "guidance". I mean I know we all love EU laws and stuff but hey, that's fun.
Also, I love how you deny that you receive read receipts, but then you get told that you do! Being notified that someone has opened their e-mail is the definition of a read receipt. Such an action, requires notification and consent and Outlook for example can block incoming read receipt requests. So, while you can quite legally ask for notification that I have opened your e-mail, I am fully, and legally allowed to refuse, and you would be none the wiser.
Again, if a system tracks how a user interacts with their communication, with no way to opt out or knowledge that this is happening then it is illegal. Throwing a huff and saying "lalala I'm not listening" does not change the law.
You do seem to have problems with anyone who challenges your views. Rather than accepting dissenting opinion and that people will have reasonable viewpoints based on evidence, you attempt to discredit them. When this fails you have resorted, repeatedly to try to silence people by saying that you've had enough as if nobody elses opinion even counts in your eyes.
Either enter a debate in good faith, or do not enter at all.
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27-03-2015, 16:23
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Re: Email Tracking
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You do seem to have problems with anyone who challenges your views. Rather than accepting dissenting opinion and that people will have reasonable viewpoints based on evidence, you attempt to discredit them. When this fails you have resorted, repeatedly to try to silence people by saying that you've had enough as if nobody elses opinion even counts in your eyes.
Either enter a debate in good faith, or do not enter at all.
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