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Old 16-10-2014, 12:14   #136
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Re: Tories plan to lower Benefits cap

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The difference being that Lord Freud wasn't saying that the disabled should not take home the minimum wage, just that employers should not need to provide all of it if the disabled employee was sufficiently impaired so as not to be able to make a full units of work contribution and that govenment should subsidise employment of said person.

But as usual the disability charities and Labour have jumped on the bandwagon just reading the lurid headlines in the tabloids without ACTUALLY looking at the proposal which might allow severly disabled to actually so some usefull work, especially to them, instead of languishing at home.
It's the way he worded it that caused problems. Saying that they are not worth the minimum wage was probably the worst way he could phrase it.

The idea itself however isn't as problematic and could well be a good idea if it's implemented properly. Any proposal would need to be carefully constructed to ensure it could not be used as a loophole for people to exploit. However if it was implemented in a way that people weren't forced to take them and disability benefit was not dependent on doing this work then it could be a good policy - especially if it was a bonus on top of their benefit.

I would give charities a break through. They're just responding hard on any suggestion, even if it was unintentional, that disabled people aren't 'worth as much'. It is after all their job to advocate for the disabled. It's also not as if the current Government, with ATOS and the like, have been that helpful towards these communities so it's not as if they should have been expected to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 16-10-2014, 16:57   #137
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So labour had a bad idea in 2003 and a minister expresses it in 2014 also given it was an idea in 2003 clearly wasn't one believed in as they had plenty of time to implement it and didn't. My anger is also because this was a public comment that is inline with what I've heard in private from certain individuals and leads me to believe there is an agenda at work here. Also if someone is not able to do enough work to merit the full minimum wage odds are they probably are not fit for work but have been ruled as fit due the massive moving of goalposts this coalition has done. Charities are at the end of their rope with this coalition after Cameron made a big thing about involving them in the so called welfare reform then totally disregarded any suggestions they made causing the charities to walk away.

Disabled people have had nothing but stress and concern since this coalition got into power established benefits that worked well and had little to no fraud binned and replaced with a complete mess. A growing attitude of hostility towards claimants fuelled by ridiculous language from politicians and a reform process that has nothing to do with reform and is simply cost cutting by any means. Do we at least have the satisfaction that any of the abusers have been stopped from claiming nope the die hard can work won't work are still raking in benefits because despite the headlines not a damn thing of substance has been done to stop them.
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In which case a) Miliband's cronies and the rest of the baying wolves ought to acknowledge that fact and b) presenting the notion as a trait of the 'nasty party' is disingenuous.

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Let's not have facts spoil a good political rant eh?
Not really disingenuous considering they never actually implemented it, still don't let that get in the way of your political rant
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