Superhub Upload speeds

DOT COTTON · 01-09-2014, 17:05

Does anyone know why vm can offer high download speeds but the likes of BT can offer higher upload speeds than VM?
thank you
MRS C

BenMcr · 01-09-2014, 17:10

Uploads are tied to the service tier - the current fastest upload of 12Mbit is available as part of the 152Mbit tier.

DOT COTTON · 01-09-2014, 17:12

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Uploads are tied to the service tier - the current fastest upload of 12Mbit is available as part of the 152Mbit tier.

What do you mean by service tier.

Jayrull I · 01-09-2014, 17:14

The highest available is 12Mbps on the 152Mbps package.

I've heard on various forums that VM follow a 10:1 ratio policy for their downloads:uploads but I am not sure if this is true.

As I need a higher upload I have invested in dual connections one from Talk Talk and one from Virgin using a load balanced router which gives me around 30Mbps.

There's no point getting a business connection from any ISP as they are too expensive for my needs.

qasdfdsaq · 01-09-2014, 17:37

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Originally Posted by DOT COTTON

Does anyone know why vm can offer high download speeds but the likes of BT can offer higher upload speeds than VM? thank you MRS C

Different technology.

DOT COTTON · 01-09-2014, 17:49

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Different technology.

But I thought they were both Fibre impact ?

Jayrull I · 01-09-2014, 18:00

They aren't both "true fibre" as their is still some copper/coaxial involved.

BT and other ISP's who use BT's network: The customers internet connection is fibre from the exchange until the green cabinet on the street, from then on it uses copper to the house.

Virgin's cable network utilises fibre then coaxial I believe in the last bit of the connection to the customers property.

qasdfdsaq · 01-09-2014, 19:42

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But I thought they were both Fibre impact ?

Different kinds of fibre.

Kushan · 01-09-2014, 19:49

BT is fibre to a node (Cabinet), then raw copper after (sometimes just aluminium). The copper also has to support a regular phone line so various technologies are put in place to make the most of the "unused" part of the cable. That technology is capable of supporting higher upload speeds, but the side effect is how quickly both download/upload speeds diminish over distance due to the unshielded nature of the copper.

Virgin uses fibre to a node (Cabinet) but even at this level the technologies are different. After that, they differ even more, going forward in a shielded coaxial cable (still copper, but very different cable). The technologies in play here are geared towards maximising the available bandwidth in that copper cable but in a way that it doesn't diminish over distance. The side effect of this is that your speeds don't quite diminish over distance but you don't get much bandwidth in the "upstream" direction compared to the downstream.

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Different technology.

craigj2k12 · 07-09-2014, 05:02

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Virgin uses fibre to a node (Cabinet) but even at this level the technologies are different. After that, they differ even more, going forward in a shielded coaxial cable (still copper, but very different cable). The technologies in play here are geared towards maximising the available bandwidth in that copper cable but in a way that it doesn't diminish over distance. The side effect of this is that your speeds don't quite diminish over distance but you don't get much bandwidth in the "upstream" direction compared to the downstream.

Well thats not a side effect of the coax itself

Kushan · 07-09-2014, 14:21

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Well thats not a side effect of the coax itself

Not at all, didn't mean to imply that either.

craigj2k12 · 08-09-2014, 01:09

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Not at all, didn't mean to imply that either.

Ignitionnet · 08-09-2014, 11:52

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Originally Posted by DOT COTTON

Does anyone know why vm can offer high download speeds but the likes of BT can offer higher upload speeds than VM?
thank you
MRS C

Offering higher upload speeds will cost VM money. It's on the list but isn't a high priority for them, most people still focus on download speeds.

qasdfdsaq · 09-09-2014, 12:02

Shock horror, VM putting off doing something because it'll cost them money... Haven't you just spent the last few months berating Openreach because of... putting off doing things because it'll cost them money?

Upload costs both networks money tbh, since any capacity used for upload is capacity that must be removed from download use in both cases. It's easier to do for one company, but still degrades their headline download speeds.