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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Good for you I'm much the same. I understand (from people who work in the NHS) that many aren't.

Yes l think we all know taking by taking party politics out of it they are both as bad as each other in that regard as they both lie and obfuscate on a regular basis about the real state of the NHS as there are many reasons why the NHS is under numerous intolerable pressures as has been explained by several posters in this thread as there is certainly no way the NHS can continue in its current state as we need a NHS that is fit and ready for the next few decades and beyond so there needs to be real debate and consultation on how our beloved NHS can move forward but the vexed question is how do we go about it.