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Old 10-03-2017, 01:44   #478
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Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by passingbat View Post
And that is directly related to sovereignty. That is what you don't seem to understand. To stay in the single market would mean surrendering some of our control over Laws, immigration and tax policies. As I've said several times, Sovereignty is eroded via the back door of trade deals. By advocating the single market, you are advocating erosion of British Sovereignty.

We need to be out of the single market and negotiating the best trade deal we can. And when you are negotiating, the other side needs to know, in uncertain terms, that you will walk away if you don't like the deal they offer.
Sorry, in connection with the article I posted I meant there's now a debate in the Brexit camp about trade deals full stop, not just with the EU.
Do we:
- Go for Economists for Free Trade's approach. They want no tariffs. But their Patrick Minford has said this will cause the end of UK manufacturing.
- Go for a more interventionist, protectionist economy with tariffs which is likely to leave the country a lot poorer.

In context, polling by Ipsos Mori found that 45% of Britons thought single market access should be prioritised, while 39% prioritised control of immigration. Free trade is linked to granting work visas to trading partners. India has already made clear it would like more immigration into the UK as part of any new deal and other countries are likely to want this too. How will this go down with the electorate?

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing View Post
I have no problem with the scots having another independence vote as long as the rest of the UK gets a vote on if they want scotland in the union anymore. It was meant to be a once in a generation vote according to everyone up north now clearly it will be something the snp kick off at the slightest excuse and that is a disruption we do not need. I'm also betting if the rest got a vote the snp would go very quiet and a lot less enthusiastic it's easy to keep having disruptive referenda when there is no consequence.
A Scottish refrendum is now on the cards, though whether the SNP will win it is unknown. Latest polls are 50% remain, 50% leave the UK. As Brexit and Trump have shown, we shouldn't rule out another poll upset.
Nicola Sturgeon is aiming for late 2018 but Downing Street is hoping to delay a referendum until after Brexit. Having it half-way through the Brexit negotiations sounds a bit disruptive but maybe that's the plan.
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