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Old 08-09-2017, 16:59   #4
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Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by nomadking View Post
So leaving all those thousands of regulations in the hands of the EU is grabbing back sovereignty? That is the alternative.
No, it isn't. I don't think any sane person would disagree that the Henry VIII powers are required, the issue is how little oversight and how few limitations are in place.

Any safeguards built into the Bill are meaningless as Ministers can, at their discretion, amend it and remove them.

The future Conservative leader might build that straw man that it's that way or nothing but it's just wrong.

This is a wholesale power grab made all the worse by that the electorate refused to give the Conservatives a majority at the last election. If HMG didn't need this level of delegated power during either World War or during the Great Depression they don't need it now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-doesn-t-have

What all this does prove is that we desperately need a written constitution to avoid this happening again. Right now the government of the day can, literally, re-write the rules as they go.

---------- Post added at 16:59 ---------- Previous post was at 16:52 ----------

Hat tip David Allen Green / @davidallengreen

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Imagine a general election.

Imagine Corbyn and Labour are largest party but with no overall majority.

Imagine a DUP-like deal with SNP.

Imagine Corbyn then brings forward a "Austerity (Withdrawal) Bill" providing ministers with widest powers to make or break law.

Imagine the minority Labour government rigging the committee system so that they have majorities, outside scope of that DUP-like deal.

Imagine the minority Labour government getting rid of Queen's Speech for two years, so that there was no chance it could lose that vote.

Imagine the minority Labour government legislating that *any* deal it does with EU can be implemented as law by ministerial discretion.

And now imagine what the Tories would say to any of that.
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