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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
Wasn't it quoted on this very forum recently that by the governments own figures fraud AND OVERPAYMENTS amounted to 2.5 billion now i would dearly love to see fraud cut to zero but it is never going to happen. Whilst a substantial sum of money is lost to the two things above as a country is it that much that it justifys the condemning of the sick and disabled even if i wasn't a claimant i would say no (actually had that attitude before i was forced to give up work). There is a campaign to label all claimants as frauds, scroungers, lead swingers and basically burdens to the country it was started by labour and has been picked up with gusto by this coalition and with the help of rags like the daily mail the perception that if your claiming your a fraud is sadly spreading.
Unless your sick and disabled you really don't have a clue just how much hostility there is towards us and it is becoming a regular thing. I manage to get into my town centre every couple of weeks (it's a 350 metre walk by which time i need to take two painkillers and sit down for an hour) we go to a cafe where we have a breakfast me and the wife and for the last six visits there has been a smartbackside sitting making stupid comments about how i shouldn't have the benefit to afford a meal in a cafe. I have seen him and his merry bunch of cretins also ridiculing other people out and about in the town in wheelchairs and mobility scooter things (although i often rage against those mobility things but).
I am sorry i have a genetic desease beyond my control that will eventually mean i canoot even move around my house to any decent standard i am sorry i havn't just gone off and swallowed all my pills to make things easier. Can the people in this country make their mind up once and for all do you want a welfare state lets have a damn vote on it. If you vote no then people like me will know where we stand and can do whatever we are able to try and live or if you do then stop expecting me to get down and thank you all the damn time for money that i get because i have always been grateful to the taxpayer in this country for the tax they pay that allows our system but lately i am getting sick and tired of being targetted because of something i cannot help.
Being honest if it were not for my wife and close family i think i may well have seriously thought about suicide because living day in and day out with no hope of complete cure with a level of pain that makes the worst migraine feel like a minor hangover isn't a barrel of laughs. Sorry bit more rage then i planned but i am really getting sick of it as it is becoming almost a daily thing with someone or something hitting at claimants and usually with no practical experience of living on benfits it gets you mad.
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It about time the government crackd down on the wealthy, not the disabled!!!
Vote for a minor party until they do!!
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Originally Posted by martyh
That's nice for you ,now back to real world .As has been explained to you and others on countless occasions we need to make the cuts because we can't afford the welfare system in the form it is in .It is or was too easy to claim the benefits making the system rife with fraud and misuse.We couldn't afford it 20yrs ago but we didn't have a government willing to address the problem instead of burying their head in the sand .
I would dearly love to see that interview because i strongly suspect that he didn't say that in the context you want it to mean
Both parties are guilty of ensuring that we have a viable welfare system that the country can afford by weeding out the fraudsters and those on disability benefits that they shouldn't be .As i and others have said (but it doesn't fit with your paranoid views so you ignore them)there are many claimants who are on the wrong benefits ,there are people who can work even though they are not 100% fit and there are people who are just out and out defrauding the system .Yes it is going to be hard for disabled people to claim benefits but guess what ,that just makes disabled people the same as everybody else ,it's life ,it's a struggle even for able bodied people ,get over it and deal with it instead of whinging and whining that it's a bit harder to get the benefit .
You need to look at the reality of life in GB at the moment the golden era of massive government spending on services such as welfare is over .All services are being cut for everyone and people on benefits have to make their own small contribution along with everyone else ,to think otherwise is just plain selfish
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---------- Post added at 10:54 ---------- Previous post was at 10:49 ----------
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Originally Posted by martyh
That's nice for you ,now back to real world .As has been explained to you and others on countless occasions we need to make the cuts because we can't afford the welfare system in the form it is in .It is or was too easy to claim the benefits making the system rife with fraud and misuse.We couldn't afford it 20yrs ago but we didn't have a government willing to address the problem instead of burying their head in the sand .
I would dearly love to see that interview because i strongly suspect that he didn't say that in the context you want it to mean
Both parties are guilty of ensuring that we have a viable welfare system that the country can afford by weeding out the fraudsters and those on disability benefits that they shouldn't be .As i and others have said (but it doesn't fit with your paranoid views so you ignore them)there are many claimants who are on the wrong benefits ,there are people who can work even though they are not 100% fit and there are people who are just out and out defrauding the system .Yes it is going to be hard for disabled people to claim benefits but guess what ,that just makes disabled people the same as everybody else ,it's life ,it's a struggle even for able bodied people ,get over it and deal with it instead of whinging and whining that it's a bit harder to get the benefit .
You need to look at the reality of life in GB at the moment the golden era of massive government spending on services such as welfare is over .All services are being cut for everyone and people on benefits have to make their own small contribution along with everyone else ,to think otherwise is just plain selfish
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We can afford huge government spending and decent benifits if the governments cracked down on Tax Evasion!!!
Free Market Capitalism and Unequal Democracy has ruined the UK and the World and we have to pay for it!!!
It is about time the people of britain (both disabled and able-bodied middle and working class) got up, see the big picture and remove this government by any means and bring about real and radical change!!!
This is the perfect breeding ground for facism and Communism!!!
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Originally Posted by martyh
Again you refuse to see the reality of the stuation .The figures you quote are based on known fraud .The government have no idea how many people are defrauding the system because they haven't been caught yet At best the figures are a educated guess based on past known fraud and anti fraud initiatives.You may want to have a look at these figures from the DWP.And again you refuse to accept that people who can work ,albeit with restrictions,are claiming full disability benefits intended for people who genuinely cannot work ,that may be intentional or it may not ,it is a overly complicated system with far too many different benefits but it is still misuse .All these major faults in the system are trying to be addressed in the reforms, as they should be
and i have not said that life is equally as hard for everyone , i said ,
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We have lost hundreds of billions from tax evasion!!!
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Originally Posted by Angua
The current wave of attack on fraudulent benefit claimants has hit the most vulnerable first. Either because they do not have the ability to fight their corner or because they are single under 35 and live on their own. Top this off with the dreadful tabloid slant on "scroungers" and this is the result.
The benefit savvy know how to twist the system to suit & will continue to laugh all the way to the bank. Whilst the easy targets suffer the abuse.
Until there are clear signals that abuse of the vulnerable is wrong there is no hope. Judging by current appeal rates ATOS is one of the worst culprits.
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Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6