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Originally Posted by Pierre
They employ people to work with the architects and contractors, they are the client, they are in control of the specifications and the budget.
This statement is an example of why and where the hysteria, witch hunting and false accusations appear.
You have no evidence whatsoever to back up statement. No evidence whatsoever.
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Facts:- The manufacturers made claims that it could used above 18m. Suppliers reiterated that. It was even listed in the product selector part of the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) website. The design of how the insulation was to be used was bad, regardless of what type was used. I looked at the plans. No fire barriers between the window frames and the insulation.
From the Celotex website.
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Suitable for use in warm steel frame constructions for ventilated facade applications, Celotex RS5000 can be used in buildings above 18 metres in height – a first for PIR insulation.
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- Has been tested to BS 8414-2:2005, meets the requirements in BR 135 and the first PIR insulation suitable for rainscreen cladding applications above 18 metres in height
- Features Class O fire performance
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Celotex RS5000 is specifically designed for use
in rainscreen cladding systems for both new build
and refurbishment projects.
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On the face of it, no reason to suggest it was the wrong product to use.
It is only when you read in further in another document you get this.
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Specification clause
The rainscreen cladding insulation shall be Celotex
RS5000 ____mm thick, comprising a polyisocyanurate
(PIR) rigid foam insulation core featuring super low emissivity
textured aluminium foil facings on both sides and Class 0 fire
performance throughout the product in accordance with BS
476. RS5000 has been successfully tested to BS8414-2
and meets the performance criteria of BR135. RS5000
is A+ rated when compared to the BRE Green Guide and
is CFC/HCFC free with low GWP and zero ODP. RS5000
is manufactured in accordance with quality management
systems ISO 9001 and environmental management system
ISO 14001. All products must be installed in accordance
with instructions issued by Celotex.
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As for the suggestion of cost cutting being a factor, I also checked and compared prices. For one supplier as an example the FR5000 in the original plans would currently cost £755.32 for 23.04sq m but the RS5000 that was used(confirmed by the manufacturer) is £1282.65 for 23.04sq m. That is 70% more.